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Nearly all of that 2000 snow fell on December 30 though. For the record @MJO812 im certainly not saying it doesn't snow in NYC in nina decembers. Just that it's snowier than normal further north. NYC can often be on a gradient line. Plus add in the fact that those northern places already average more to begin with, and you can come up with quite a contrast by months end.

I'll take it. Absolute beauty today. 44° and no clouds. Wouldn't be surprised to see 50°.

Looks a little above average but noting too extreme like I pointed out in my original post.

stayed in the mid 20's here that day-had to move the annual high school game up a day which was a bummer.

There's always Valdez Alaska

I didn't say anything about a torch. Just asked a question as bluewave's map of the Euro weekly showed +1 to +3C across the East this week (11/24 to 12/1).

Came in here for this. Haven't been following each run and assume it hasn't been consistent, but interesting and not crazy evolution as depicted. Cross-polar flow immediately before, southern stream system (from the trop pacific?!) transversing the lower 48 and with mb digging behind?

I remember the 2018 Thanksgiving cold snap, that was some serious mid winter style cold

We haven’t had any real cold around Thanksgiving since 2018. Data for November 22, 2018 through November 23, 2018 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NY PORT JERVIS COOP 4 CT DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 6 CT OXFORD WATERBURY WBAN 6 NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 6 NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 7 NY SHRUB OAK COOP 7 NY MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP WBAN 7 NY CARMEL 4N COOP 7 CT DANBURY COOP 9 CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 9 CT MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 10 NY WEST POINT COOP 11 NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 11 NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 11 CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 12 NY SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT WBAN 12 CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 12 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 13 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 13 NJ HARRISON COOP 13 CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 13 CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 13 NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 13 CT GROTON COOP 13 CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 13 NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 14 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 14 NY MATTITUCK COOP 14 NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 15 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 15 NY CENTERPORT COOP 15 NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 15 NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 15 NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 15 Data for November 22, 2018 through November 23, 2018 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. PA POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN -2 NJ SUSSEX 1 NW COOP 5 NJ SUSSEX AIRPORT WBAN 6 PA SPRINGTOWN 1 NNE COOP 7 PA EAST STROUDSBURG COOP 7 PA BELTZVILLE DAM COOP 8 PA LEHIGHTON 1SSW COOP 8 NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP 8 NJ AEROFLEX-ANDOVER AIRPORT WBAN 8 NJ HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 9 NJ WERTSVILLE 4 NE COOP 9 NJ SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 9 NJ NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 9 PA BLUE MARSH LAKE COOP 10 PA GRATERFORD 1 E COOP 10 PA SELLERSVILLE COOP 10 PA BUCKSVILLE COOP 10 NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 10 NJ FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 10 NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP 10

Whats wrong with it

Models also had mild weather for this time. Thats why its hard to take the long range seriously.

Good in December 2000, bad in 2007 and good in 2008.

And? Its colder than normal when if you look at his posts, he thought torch

If you are looking for snowfall totals, here are select NYC-area snowfall totals.

It like rinse and repeat with some of you guys. Pattern is changing,,, pattern is not changing... Winter is over... Winter is making a huge comeback.... Things will happen as they happen. If it doesn't, well then, everyone will still be back for next year ( I happen to think we will be in a much better place this year than last year, but time will tell ). It's all about being patient. Once things do break into a Wintry pattern, this will all be forgotten. Have faith guys and gals!

I have a Lang 84 wood smoker.

LOL. Who's got Nor easter and hurricane at the same time on their Winter bingo card?

Oh good. I thought winter was canceled.

here's that map with a more honest color scheme

And so is the tropics. Same run tries to brew a hurricane in the Caribbean in fantasy range.

You never answered my question on FB...How did you do in December 2000, 2007 and 2008?

Classic Nina December is better for points south . It gets tougher once you get to February .

the TPV elongating like that into SE Canada should present opportunities for overrunning

Decent severe weather threat for much of east Texas into LA/MS this afternoon into tonight. Could see a few sky noodles.

Its lid?