TSSN+ Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 23 minutes ago, high risk said: There seems to be growing consensus that an intense MCS will form over northeast OH and western PA late this afternoon and move southeast. While it (shocker) appears that the best threat will be over southeast PA, at least some of the complex should make it into northern MD and potentially into the Baltimore-Washington corridor later this evening or overnight. Best threat over SE Pa or NW? That area is under the enhanced risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Radarscope claims rotation with the storm out in W VA (near Broadway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 23 minutes ago, yoda said: Radarscope claims rotation with the storm out in W VA (near Broadway) SVR warned for hail to ping pong ball size and winds to 60mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 34 minutes ago, TSSN+ said: Best threat over SE Pa or NW? That area is under the enhanced risk. Sorry. Bad wording on my part. The southeast PA reference was regarding where the complex heads as it moves out of western PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Well if get anything later tonight it’s that complex developing over Michigan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago The front is slower than had been shown, so the updated Day2 has expanded the SLGT back to the north. Still tons of CAM disagreement (of course). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, yoda said: Radarscope claims rotation with the storm out in W VA (near Broadway) It's likely the hail core interfering with the radar beam. Note how the broad rotation is behind the best VIL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Excellent afternoon AFD from LWX for tonight into tomorrow .DISCUSSION... KEY MESSAGE 1...Slight Risk of severe thunderstorms today and Friday. Clouds have readily thinned in the wake of morning shower and thunderstorm activity. This is allowing for temperatures to rise quickly through the 80s to near 90. This heating will play an important role in the potential for severe weather through the evening hours. As of 2:30 PM, a few discrete (transient supercell) thunderstorms had developed over the Shenandoah Valley, and had a history of producing large hail and wind damage. These storms are developing in an area that has been clear since daybreak, and in an area of enhanced low-level convergence due to residual outflow from morning convection to the north, a washed out front, and terrain circulations. Anticipate this activity to continue into the late afternoon hours with a risk of localized damaging wind gusts and large hail. Meanwhile, upstream over the lower Great Lakes and Ohio Valley, a large reservoir of MLCAPE 3000-4000+ J/kg exists. The north end of this CAPE pool lies along the southern edge of the westerlies, with a 100+ kt 300 hPa jet streak and mid-level shortwave impulse located just to the north. This setup is favorable for the development of a Mesoscale Convective Complex (MCS), which is an organized line of thunderstorms that persists for several hours. Locally, mid-level lapse rates of 6.5-7 C/km (per latest mesoanalysis and the KIAD 12Z RAOB) atop a very moist boundary layer with surface dew points well into the 70s F will lead to increasing CAPE despite the late start at surface heating. The question then becomes just how organized upstream storms become, and how stable the boundary layer is heading further into the evening. A more organized and potent line of storms a bit earlier in the evening would result in a notably higher risk for more numerous damaging wind gusts, especially focused along the residual baroclinic zone/theta-e gradient which should lie near the Potomac River/US-50/I-66 this evening. A somewhat slower and/or more disorganized line would result in a lower risk for severe surface gusts, though some isolated damaging winds would still be possible given high CAPE/DCAPE and the shallow nature of the stable layer near the surface. Areas of western Maryland and perhaps into the eastern West Virginia panhandle are most likely to see the storms prior to the onset of appreciable nocturnal boundary layer stability. The area remains in a Slight Risk (level 2 out of 5) for severe weather from SPC as of the midday outlook update, driven mostly by the threat of damaging wind gusts. There is a threat for large hail in stronger cores, though mid-level lapse rates will gradually become less steep tonight. A linear storm mode would tend to be less favorable for large hail production (as opposed to discrete/individual cells), as well. A few discrete cells are possible this evening in weak low-level WAA, however, independent of any linear system that may affect the region. These storms would be most likely to develop over northern and central Virginia into central Maryland along a weak surface trough and the aforementioned moisture/instability gradient. Additional showers and thunderstorms, possibly strong to severe, are anticipated again on Friday. Timing is a bit uncertain given the subtle waves aloft, but increasing low-level convergence paired with another upper impulse may very well result in another round or two of storms with a damaging wind risk. The latest guidance has nudged the threat a bit further north, encompassing areas as far north as I-70 or the Mason-Dixon line (as opposed to I-66/US-50). This will depend on any residual early day clouds or convection, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Fwiw, both 16z and 17z HRRR have an MCS/line/complex come rolling through the region between midnight and 3am. 17z HRRR encompasses more of the region than the 16z run did. Not saying its severe, just something to think about overnight as we watch it develop out to our NW ETA - 18z HRRR same idea... but an hour or so faster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, TSSN+ said: Well if get anything later tonight it’s that complex developing over Michigan. It’s actually more likely the storms firing out ahead over northeast Ohio. That would be better, because we want these storms to arrive as early as possible. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Granted its 1km AGL reflectivity and composite reflectivity, but I don't hate what the 18z RRFS is showing between 02z and 06z for the region 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 6 minutes ago, yoda said: Granted its 1km AGL reflectivity and composite reflectivity, but I don't hate what the 18z RRFS is showing between 02z and 06z for the region @high risk when looking at future radar, should i be looking more at composite or 1km AGL? Or neither lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Local news did a good job mentioning the risk for later tonight in the brief weather hit. Hopefully people pay attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 33 minutes ago, high risk said: It’s actually more likely the storms firing out ahead over northeast Ohio. That would be better, because we want these storms to arrive as early as possible. Thanks for this. I sent radar image of that line and sent to friends saying this was the storms to watch for later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Watch needed soon for PA into parts of W and N MD per MCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md2218.html Mesoscale Discussion 2218 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0316 PM CDT Thu Sep 03 2026 Areas affected...Eastern Ohio into central Pennsylvania...western Maryland...and far northern West Virginia Concerning...Severe Thunderstorm Watch 649... Valid 032016Z - 032215Z The severe weather threat for Severe Thunderstorm Watch 649 continues. SUMMARY...Supercells across eastern Ohio and northwestern Pennsylvania will likely grow upscale and pose a more substantial wind threat downstream into central Pennsylvania through the evening. Downstream watch issuance is expected soon. DISCUSSION...Discrete to semi-discrete supercells are evident in regional radar imagery across northeast OH and northwest PA with a few instances of severe hail noted over the past hour. Regional VWPs continue to sample elongated hodographs favorable for splitting supercells with an attendant threat for large hail for the next hour or so. Given the propensity for splitting cells and tight clustering of convection, upscale growth into one or more organized lines appears probable over the coming hours. As this occurs, the potential for severe wind should increase as convection moves into central PA where air mass recovery has been ongoing through the afternoon (MLCAPE has increased to 1000-1500 J/kg per recent mesoanalysis estimates). ..Moore.. 09/03/2026 ...Please see www.spc.noaa.gov for graphic product... ATTN...WFO...CTP...LWX...PBZ...CLE... LAT...LON 41068148 41388079 41698017 41397732 41157698 40807689 39967720 39607747 39487796 39527869 40278123 40498158 40728172 40888169 41068148 MOST PROBABLE PEAK TORNADO INTENSITY...UP TO 90 MPH MOST PROBABLE PEAK WIND GUST...65-80 MPH MOST PROBABLE PEAK HAIL SIZE...UP TO 1.25 IN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Well let’s see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Time to chase the Allegheny Front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, TSSN+ said: Well let’s see what happens https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0650.html URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED Severe Thunderstorm Watch Number 650 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 435 PM EDT Thu Sep 3 2026 The NWS Storm Prediction Center has issued a * Severe Thunderstorm Watch for portions of Western Maryland Western and Central Pennsylvania Eastern West Virginia * Effective this Thursday afternoon from 435 PM until Midnight EDT. * Primary threats include... Widespread damaging wind gusts to 70 mph likely Isolated large hail events to 1.5 inches in diameter possible A tornado or two possible SUMMARY...Multiple rounds of severe storm clusters are expected to move into the region from the northwest and impact the region this evening, with wind damage as the most common hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Those storms in eastern Michigan mean business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago Yeah the Detroit and Cleveland WFO radars are sampling 90+mph winds at like 4-5kft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanbrad Posted 52 minutes ago Share Posted 52 minutes ago question for the expert community - that line of storms is heading over Lake Erie - will the lake itself have any influence (in either direction) over the line's strength and/or motion? We all know what those lakes can do in winter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 46 minutes ago Share Posted 46 minutes ago Cloud top to 55,000 ft on that cell just NW of Pittsburgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago 7 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said: Cloud top to 55,000 ft on that cell just NW of Pittsburgh I see golf ball sized hail and winds to 70mph in the warnings ETA - LSRs coming out with numerous trees, power lines, and power poles downed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidIcewx Posted 33 minutes ago Share Posted 33 minutes ago 31 minutes ago, TSSN+ said: Those storms in eastern Michigan mean business. Thats where I am from before moving out this way last year. My family and friends said the sky was green and you could see the lowering of brief wall clouds and spin ups. Almost 300k out of power and counting. And thats after all the storms they have gotten in the area this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 21 minutes ago Share Posted 21 minutes ago Although they seem more piecemeal, 19z and 20z HRRR are speeding up the "threat"... now it arrives around 11pm to midnight. Earlier HRRR runs were after midnight to 3am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 18 minutes ago Share Posted 18 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, yoda said: Although they seem more piecemeal, 19z and 20z HRRR are speeding up the "threat"... now it arrives around 11pm to midnight. Earlier HRRR runs were after midnight to 3am Looks like the Potomac River into NOVA is favored. Maryland side is just too worked over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 12 minutes ago Share Posted 12 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said: Looks like the Potomac River into NOVA is favored. Maryland side is just too worked over. LWX AFD did mention a boundary in the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 10 minutes ago Share Posted 10 minutes ago I’ll take the happy hour rgem lol that’s also a sentence I hope to post a lot this winter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 9 minutes ago Share Posted 9 minutes ago Doubt they will be as strong if they reach here... but... this is headed into Pittsburgh metro shortly Severe Weather Statement National Weather Service Pittsburgh PA 531 PM EDT Thu Sep 3 2026 OHC029-PAC003-007-019-125-WVC029-032200- /O.CON.KPBZ.SV.W.0335.000000T0000Z-260903T2200Z/ Columbiana OH-Allegheny PA-Beaver PA-Butler PA-Washington PA- Hancock WV- 531 PM EDT Thu Sep 3 2026 ...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT FOR SOUTHEASTERN COLUMBIANA, NORTHWESTERN ALLEGHENY, NORTHWESTERN WASHINGTON, SOUTHERN BUTLER, BEAVER AND HANCOCK COUNTIES... At 531 PM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line from 6 miles northeast of Zelienople to near Midland, or along a line from 10 miles west of Butler to 7 miles southeast of East Liverpool, moving southeast at 20 mph. THESE ARE DESTRUCTIVE STORMS FOR BEAVER, MONACA, CONWAY, ALIQUIPPA. HAZARD...80 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail. SOURCE...Radar indicated. IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles. Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely. Locations impacted include... Ross Township, McCandless Township, Cranberry, Moon Township, Butler, Franklin Park, East Liverpool, Aliquippa, Beaver Falls, Monaca, Hampton Township, Robinson Township, Economy, Bellevue, Kennedy Township, Ambridge, Wexford, Homeacre-Lyndora, West View and Stowe Township. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Seek shelter now inside an interior room on the lowest floor of a well-built structure. These storms are capable of producing widespread destructive winds and large hail. && LAT...LON 4062 8062 4079 8053 4085 8025 4085 8016 4087 8016 4088 8013 4094 8007 4082 7971 4056 7999 4031 8028 4053 8062 4056 8065 TIME...MOT...LOC 2107Z 294DEG 18KT 4091 8023 4077 8041 4063 8061 THUNDERSTORM DAMAGE THREAT...DESTRUCTIVE HAIL THREAT...RADAR INDICATED MAX HAIL SIZE...1.00 IN WIND THREAT...RADAR INDICATED MAX WIND GUST...80 MPH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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