snowman19 Posted yesterday at 10:38 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:38 AM “Potentially Historic #ElNino in MakingJust Days After the American Weather Agency NOAA Declared the Arrival of El Nino, Today the Australian Weather Agency BOM has Declared the Event.According to BOM, Almost Half of the Models now indicate that this Event would be among the Strongest Ever in the Recorded HistorySome Notable Record Already Smashed by the Present Evolving El Nino are mentioned below-1) The Traditional Nino 3.4 Index (Primary El Nino Monitoring Region) is now at +1.45c.This is the Highest Ever Temperature Achieved at this Stage of an Evolving El Nino and Beats all Previous Super El Nino Events)2) This is Fastest Ever Flip from a Mature La Nina State Early in the Year to Almost a High End Moderate El Nino within a Span of just 6 Months” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM And the new WWB generated DWKW has begun to make its trek eastward with more warming to follow…. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted yesterday at 03:46 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:46 PM On 6/14/2026 at 8:12 AM, snowman19 said: @csnavywx Brought up the off-equator WWBs a couple of weeks ago: “We ain't getting a CP or "basin wide" event. Too much off-equator WWB activity, which focuses WWV onto the equator via Eckman transport and causes EKWs to break and surface later. If you want a CP/basin wide or w/e, you def want your bursts narrowly focused with some trade wind resistance like we had in the '99-'22 era. There was arguably a bit of that left in the '23/'24 event but we've had no issues killing off the trades, even well away from the equator. This is *much closer* to the '72-'98 environment in that respect. I can't be the only one who remembers how tough it was to kill off the trades even in the '15/'16 event. It languished for a while in the summer because of it and we had two false starts ('12 and '14) before that one took off. We are miles away from that.” We are going to need a new classification system for this one. Maybe something like a super east to west basin event to reflect how spread out the record warmth is. Currently getting near to record breaking SSTs for the week of June 10th for developing El Niños using the traditional ONI from 1+2 all the way over to Nino 4. 1997-1998 was the previous record holder for east based events. 2015-2016 was the leader for Nino 3.4 and 4. 2023-2024 tied 2015-2016 in Nino 4. https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/data/indices/ June 10th 10JUN2026 26.1 2.7 28.3 1.6 29.2 1.5 30.1 1.3 07JUN2023 26.1 2.6 28.0 1.2 28.7 0.9 29.5 0.7 10JUN2015 25.5 2.0 27.8 1.2 28.7 0.9 29.8 0.9 11JUN1997 26.1 2.8 27.8 1.1 28.4 0.7 28.9 0.1 At peak strength all-time Nino region warmest SSTs bolded with ties 29NOV2023 24.2 2.1 27.2 2.0 28.7 2.0 30.3 1.7 18NOV2015 23.8 2.0 28.0 2.9 29.8 3.0 30.3 1.7 26NOV1997 25.8 3.7 28.4 3.3 28.9 2.2 29.3 0.7 03DEC1997 26.2 3.9 28.2 3.1 28.8 2.1 29.2 0.6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted yesterday at 04:16 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:16 PM 30 minutes ago, bluewave said: We are going to need a new classification system for this one. Maybe something like a super east to west basin event to reflect how spread out the record warmth is. Currently getting near to record breaking SSTs for the week of June 10th for developing El Niños using the traditional ONI from 1+2 all the way over to Nino 4. 1997-1998 was the previous record holder for east based events. 2015-2016 was the leader for Nino 3.4 and 4. 2023-2024 tied 2015-2016 in Nino 4. https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/data/indices/ June 10th 10JUN2026 26.1 2.7 28.3 1.6 29.2 1.5 30.1 1.3 07JUN2023 26.1 2.6 28.0 1.2 28.7 0.9 29.5 0.7 10JUN2015 25.5 2.0 27.8 1.2 28.7 0.9 29.8 0.9 11JUN1997 26.1 2.8 27.8 1.1 28.4 0.7 28.9 0.1 At peak strength all-time Nino region warmest SSTs bolded with ties 29NOV2023 24.2 2.1 27.2 2.0 28.7 2.0 30.3 1.7 18NOV2015 23.8 2.0 28.0 2.9 29.8 3.0 30.3 1.7 26NOV1997 25.8 3.7 28.4 3.3 28.9 2.2 29.3 0.7 03DEC1997 26.2 3.9 28.2 3.1 28.8 2.1 29.2 0.6 IMO, this one is headed for the history books. I think it ends up as the strongest El Nino event on record 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Seemin' like y'all tryin to will a super phat dope ass nuclear nino 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 21 hours ago Author Share Posted 21 hours ago Moving a little more exponential the last few days Subsurface looks really healthy right now Let's see if the seasonal decadal trend of a ridge in the Rockies/SW gets suppressed this July 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 5 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Seemin' like y'all tryin to will a super phat dope ass nuclear nino Some warmnistas would love nothing more because it would equal the year without a winter, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakePaste25 Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, Maestrobjwa said: Some would love nothing more because it would equal the year without a winter, lol More like I want the W pac warm pool to completely shift east so we can have better synoptic snow the following winters. A mid +2c super nino that probably ends up with a warm winter anyway won’t do the job. Might as well go for the full historic, make this the sacrificial lamb and see if we can get good patterns the years after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindancewx Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago For anyone wondering - June is a pretty canonical -PNA pattern so far. Not PDO or ENSO driven. Despite the rumor that +PNA = +ENSO, it's never really been true in the Summer. CPC has the PNA as so weak in the Summer that is just has -- for PNA correlations to ENSO - not 0, not -0.87 or +0.33 actual blanks. https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/table/corr.table_jun.txt -PNA June = Cold NW, Hot SW. Green on the lower map is positive correlation (-PNA = cold, +PNA = warm) while blues are opposite correlation (-PNA = warm, +PNA = cold). You can see the neutral spot over the Southeast shows up as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 14 hours ago Author Share Posted 14 hours ago ^I can never get U of Del Air Temp working on the correlation composite. Is there a secret to it? June will likely be the 5th straight month of -PNA (CPC). I've found that the correlation roll forwards are weak for what happens later in the year, surprisingly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 7 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Seemin' like y'all tryin to will a super phat dope ass nuclear nino our willpower is working 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago And this is quite the WWB…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiEaglesfan712 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 7 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Get ready for 30C minimums in November and December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 19 hours ago, snowman19 said: IMO, this one is headed for the history books. I think it ends up as the strongest El Nino event on record The 500 mb pattern is beginning to look more Nino-like during the second half of June. Finally getting the familiar ridge just west of British Columbia. This is allowing the typical June El Niño trough to form near the Great Lakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, bluewave said: The 500 mb pattern is beginning to look more Nino-like during the second half of June. Finally getting the familiar ridge just west of British Columbia. This is allowing the typical June El Niño trough to form near the Great Lakes. This should increase more once the +IOD gets going. Per Eric Webb, the record ++PMM is acting as a +PDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 18 minutes ago, snowman19 said: This should increase more once the +IOD gets going. Per Eric Webb, the record ++PMM is acting as a +PDO The thing to watch for in July is how much the warm pool near Japan driving the -PDO interacts with the +PMM. The models runs in late June will give us some clues. Could be another overlapping pattern with some Nino-like and Niña-like influences to 500 mb pattern for North America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I'll tell you, even if it's warm, I welcome a more active pattern with the El Nino...man, I am so sick of this drought the past few years. Even last winter was dry...there was only decent snow because it was so cold...precip was below average and there weren't many coastals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 hours ago, raindancewx said: For anyone wondering - June is a pretty canonical -PNA pattern so far. Not PDO or ENSO driven. Despite the rumor that +PNA = +ENSO, it's never really been true in the Summer. CPC has the PNA as so weak in the Summer that is just has -- for PNA correlations to ENSO - not 0, not -0.87 or +0.33 actual blanks. https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/table/corr.table_jun.txt -PNA June = Cold NW, Hot SW. Green on the lower map is positive correlation (-PNA = cold, +PNA = warm) while blues are opposite correlation (-PNA = warm, +PNA = cold). You can see the neutral spot over the Southeast shows up as well. Definitely been a hot month out here...only recently shifted more temperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I'll tell you, even if it's warm, I welcome a more active pattern with the El Nino...man, I am so sick of this drought the past few years. Even last winter was dry...there was only decent snow because it was so cold...precip was below average and there weren't many coastals. Yes, we definitely maximized the precip we received in the form of snow/ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago CANSIPS clearly has a Modoki look just viewing H5 next winter...don't have to look at SSTs. CFS has a more east-based look. My guess is it will look more like the CFS in the seasonal mean given how strong the event is going to be, but I could certainly see a stretch from latter January into February looking like the CANSIPS. I suspect we won't see a wall-to-wall furnace, although I'm sure Bluewave and the climate changer will be quoting tweets declaring it the warmest winter on record across the CONUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 49 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I'll tell you, even if it's warm, I welcome a more active pattern with the El Nino...man, I am so sick of this drought the past few years. Even last winter was dry...there was only decent snow because it was so cold...precip was below average and there weren't many coastals. You needed to be further south than Boston to really cash in relative to the means. The NY Metro area had the snowy clippers in December. With the benchmark snowstorm track returning from late January to late February. But overall we got a boost from the cold and higher ratio fluff as the drought that developed in the fall of 2024 persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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40/70 Benchmark Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 22 minutes ago, bluewave said: You needed to be further south than Boston to really cash in relative to the means. The NY Metro area had the snowy clippers in December. With the benchmark snowstorm track returning from late January to late February. But overall we got a boost from the cold and higher ratio fluff as the drought that developed in the fall of 2024 persists. I'm not talking about winning the relative to the mean trophy...it was my first season that wasn't 10" or more below average snowfall since 2017-2018. I'll take it and run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I'm not talking about winning the relative to the mean trophy...it was my first season that wasn't 10" or more below average snowfall since 2017-2018. I'll take it and run. At least you live far enough north where even a -10 or lower season would yield more actual snowfall than an average season from NYC to Philly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, bluewave said: At least you live far enough north where even a -10 or lower season would yield more actual snowfall than an average season from NYC to Philly. Yea, I haven't seen under 30" since 2011-2012. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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