2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino

[A-L-E-K]

24 minutes ago, frontranger8 said:

Exactly. So someone arguing that global warming has ended March snowfall in NYC is just silly and shortsighted. 

Coping via strawman, many such cases itt

[FPizz]

1 hour ago, frontranger8 said:

Exactly. So someone arguing that global warming has ended March snowfall in NYC is just silly and shortsighted. 

05/06 -15/16, 7 of those marches had 2" or less here with 5 having 0 snow. Other long stretches over the years have happened too if you look at hiatory.Its just plain dumb when people declare march snows have ended, no other way around it.  

[Newman]

7 hours ago, GaWx said:

 Based on the combo of an E based super Nino with +QBO, 1982-3 is the single best analog for DJFM. Although it was AN in the megapolis, this was no torch there with it only ~2F AN. The true torch was much further W centered on the upper MW. The S US was NN (1877-8 among others was similar):

 

Precip: sharp deliniation between very wet SE/AN NE coast to BN to the NW and AN beyond that:

1982-83 was a rough winter for the Dakotas regarding seasonal snowfall totals:

Grand Forks ND: 16.9" of snow (31.5" below normal)

Aberdeen SD: 18.9" of snow (23.8" below normal)

Fargo ND: 23.2" of snow (28.2" below normal)

Rapid City SD: 24.9" of snow (23.5" below normal)

Bismarck ND: 32.2" of snow (18.3" below normal)

International Falls MN: 46" of snow (26.9" below normal)

 

However, some other places across the upper Midwest ended up near normal to even well above normal like Duluth, Minneapolis, Marquette, other portions of Wisconsin and UP Michigan. So it's important to remember that, even on these maps showing a blazing red torch across the upper Midwest, it's all relative to normal and it can still snow there.

[frontranger8]

1 hour ago, A-L-E-K said:

Coping via strawman, many such cases itt

How am I coping? Address the actual points, leave the lazy ad hominem at home.

And it's not straw man. I didn't make those statements about NYC March snow since 2020.

[bluewave]

11 hours ago, frontranger8 said:

Eh, then how have gulf coastal regions managed significant snowfalls during the same period, needing much more anomalous cold than NYC in March?

Any location can always get a bounce back type year against a long term downward trend but it doesn’t represent a long term change in the warming climate and decline in snowfall.

NYC and surrounding sites have experienced a long term snowfall decline in winter and March as the climate has been getting warmer.

But it doesn’t rule out the possibility of a snowier bounce back March or two some day in the future. Surrounding stations like Newark have also been in the same boat. Newark has seen a 7° increase in March temperatures since the mid-1800s. 

Getting 6 Marches in a row near 45° has resulted in the 2020s becoming the lowest March snowfall decade around the NYC Metro area.

 

 

[snowman19]

[MJO812]

19 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Should be a brief cooldown as the AO dips but the PV is going to strengthen.  Going to be a warm November and December.

I hate strong El Ninos and strong La Ninas.

[bluewave]

Historic Florida flooding for what is normally a drier month there. Long range seasonal models did have the wet signal there. But the actual magnitude greatly exceeded the general long range forecasts. 
 

[snowman19]

Should be a brief cooldown as the AO dips but the PV is going to strengthen.  Going to be a warm November and December.
I hate strong El Ninos and strong La Ninas.

There is going to be a brief wind reversal after the warming but it never couples with the troposphere and with no further “assaults” on the SPV it’s going to strengthen rapidly and likely be strong to very strong by early December. This background state is extremely hostile to sustained weak SPV and SSWEs

[MJO812]

5 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

There is going to be a brief wind reversal after the warming but it never couples with the troposphere and with no further “assaults” on the SPV it’s going to strengthen rapidly and likely be strong to very strong by early December. This background state is extremely hostile to sustained weak SPV and SSWEs

Agree

Its November and I am still wearing short sleeves and no jacket.  

[bluewave]

 

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

45 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

There is going to be a brief wind reversal after the warming but it never couples with the troposphere and with no further “assaults” on the SPV it’s going to strengthen rapidly and likely be strong to very strong by early December. This background state is extremely hostile to sustained weak SPV and SSWEs

Yea, we were both always suspicious of any major impact from the strat. This is why just shake my head when trolls call me a "denier", etc...I usually keep it pretty real and don't hype anything unless it's truly warranted.

[SnoSki14]

53 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Should be a brief cooldown as the AO dips but the PV is going to strengthen.  Going to be a warm November and December.

I hate strong El Ninos and strong La Ninas.

The writing was on the wall. You're only hope is there's a fluke storm a la 83 or 2015 with just enough cold air around.  

Wouldn't be surprised to see March pull something out. 

[snowman19]

Another (unsurprising) big drop in the SOI, indicating ocean/atmosphere coupling with the huge WWB. This is going to initiate another round of warming as we approach the final peak of this historic event sometime in December

[40/70 Benchmark]

3 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Another (unsurprising) big drop in the SOI, indicating ocean/atmosphere coupling with the huge WWB. This is going to initiate another round of warming as we approach the final peak of this historic event sometime in December

Yes, I like a weekly peak between 12/17 and 12/29, which is when 1997 and 1982 peaked, respectively. This yield a NDJ ONI peak.

Great assessments this year.

[MJO812]

15 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

The writing was on the wall. You're only hope is there's a fluke storm a la 83 or 2015 with just enough cold air around.  

Wouldn't be surprised to see March pull something out. 

Thats way out there. You always do this.

Just take one month at a time.

[MJO812]

10 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Yes, I like a weekly peak between 12/17 and 12/29, which is when 1997 and 1982 peaked, respectively. This yield a NDJ ONI peak.

Great assessments this year.

I know no one likes Steve D but he said the same thing. This event will be peaking soon which should allow the pattern to become colder and possibly more wintry in the 2nd half of winter. 

[snowman19]

Yes, I like a weekly peak between 12/17 and 12/29, which is when 1997 and 1982 peaked, respectively. This yield a NDJ ONI peak.
Great assessments this year.

I also like a mid to late December final peak