OBS and Totals-12/13-14 Snow Event

[dmillz25]

1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Tri-State snowfall map is going up tomorrow if anyone has any totals from NJ/NY that they want included let me know @IrishRob17 @psv88. Probably do a season to date map this week as well so lmk your seasonal snowfall total to date. 

4.3” Williamsburg, Brooklyn storm and season total

[IrishRob17]

1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Tri-State snowfall map is going up tomorrow if anyone has any totals from NJ/NY that they want included let me know @IrishRob17 @psv88. Probably do a season to date map this week as well so lmk your seasonal snowfall total to date. 

4.1" for this event bringing my season total to 8.6"

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Tri-State snowfall map is going up tomorrow if anyone has any totals from NJ/NY that they want included let me know @IrishRob17 @psv88. Probably do a season to date map this week as well so lmk your seasonal snowfall total to date. 

5.1 from the recent storm, 8.2 inches for the season. Highland Mills NY in Orange County.

Thanks for doing this. Your stuff is great, we all appreciate all the time you put into this.

[Stormlover74]

 

 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

37 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

 

 

An interesting Map.

In close proximity Due north, south, east and west of Central Park we see 5.3 inches to the north, 6.5 to the south, 6.9 to the east and 6.6 to the west.

NWS - "Hey Conservancy at Central Park, how much did you guys get"?

Conservancy - "We weren't paying attention but put down 2.9 inches". 

NWS - "How did you guys get that total?"

Conservancy "Well we recorded 1.1 inch at 7 am when a local news station went to the park at 7:30 and measured 3 inches. Then at 1PM after the snow had ended and compressed for a few hours we recorded 2.7 inches, at 7PM, we recorded 2.7 again and then in the daily update at 1am we thought maybe it was 2.9 inches so put that down". 

NWS - "Thanks for your hard work everyone, very scientific".

[jm1220]

59 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

An interesting Map.

In close proximity Due north, south, east and west of Central Park we see 5.3 inches to the north, 6.5 to the south, 6.9 to the east and 6.6 to the west.

NWS - "Hey Conservancy at Central Park, how much did you guys get"?

Conservancy - "We weren't paying attention but put down 2.9 inches". 

NWS - "How did you guys get that total?"

Conservancy "Well we recorded 1.1 inch at 7 am when a local news station went to the park at 7:30 and measured 3 inches. Then at 1PM after the snow had ended and compressed for a few hours we recorded 2.7 inches, at 7PM, we recorded 2.7 again and then in the daily update at 1am we thought maybe it was 2.9 inches so put that down". 

NWS - "Thanks for your hard work everyone, very scientific".

Something should be done and should've been done for years. Have a dedicated NWS observer there who will measure properly or take the obs someplace else. I can understand parts of the city having less because they struggled with temps for a while but that's just ludicrous how on TV there was clearly 3" with snow still coming down at a good clip and temps falling. JFK right on Jamaica Bay struggled with temps too and came in with 4.6". I showed pics of my neighborhood to a relative in FL yesterday and they were stunned about how much fell where I am vs "I heard the city only had 2". It's ridiculous.

[Stormlover74]

[Nibor]

Wonder if any of our board members near the park are willing to make “alternative” measurements for future snowfalls. I think someone has in the past. 

[wthrmn654]

Just glad my wind sensor broke few of the ice last night eventually 

[RU848789]

Another good map below. I thought the NWS forecast was pretty good, comparing the final NWS snowfall forecast map from about 3 pm Saturday (time stamp says 10 pm, but that's just the one I grabbed at the time) to the actual snowfall map.  

IMO, that's a pretty good forecast. It had the maximum amounts along 95 and in south/central interior NJ and eastern LI right (even if a bit under-forecast) and had lesser amounts for far SENJ right, but it was a fair amount under for areas N of 78 and especially for Sussex/Poconos/Hudson Valley; however, they at least had 2-4" amounts for those NW/N areas unlike many other forecasters who had them around 1" or so and even had the 95 corridor at only 1-3".  

In the big picture, the take home message was a moderate (2-4") to perhaps significant (4-8") snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC region and that's what we got.

 

[Big Jims Videos]

The 8-9 inch amounts along the 195 corridor was a nice positive bust for a change. 

[jm1220]

28 minutes ago, RU848789 said:

Another good map below. I thought the NWS forecast was pretty good, comparing the final NWS snowfall forecast map from about 3 pm Saturday (time stamp says 10 pm, but that's just the one I grabbed at the time) to the actual snowfall map.  

IMO, that's a pretty good forecast. It had the maximum amounts along 95 and in south/central interior NJ and eastern LI right (even if a bit under-forecast) and had lesser amounts for far SENJ right, but it was a fair amount under for areas N of 78 and especially for Sussex/Poconos/Hudson Valley; however, they at least had 2-4" amounts for those NW/N areas unlike many other forecasters who had them around 1" or so and even had the 95 corridor at only 1-3".  

In the big picture, the take home message was a moderate (2-4") to perhaps significant (4-8") snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC region and that's what we got.

 

The map looks a little low on parts of LI especially Nassau, numerous 6” reports there. 

[psv88]

4 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

Wonder who the 9” is in Nassau 

[uofmiami]

18 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Wonder who the 9” is in Nassau 

Syosset                      9.0 in    0900 AM 12/15   COOP

Coop Observer who is S of me and I think it's the Jericho Water District on Convent Road just E of my kid's elementary school.

[psv88]

18 minutes ago, uofmiami said:

Syosset                      9.0 in    0900 AM 12/15   COOP

Coop Observer who is S of me and I think it's the Jericho Water District on Convent Road just E of my kid's elementary school.

Nice. That’s the jackpot then. Still so much snow out there. 

[Kaner587]

1 hour ago, uofmiami said:

Syosset                      9.0 in    0900 AM 12/15   COOP

Coop Observer who is S of me and I think it's the Jericho Water District on Convent Road just E of my kid's elementary school.

You believe it? Seems unlikely for such a small distance, no? 

[uofmiami]

9 minutes ago, Kaner587 said:

You believe it? Seems unlikely for such a small distance, no? 

I don’t. Probably put a ruler into the ground & called it a day. I think our area got around 7” with more further E into W Suffolk. 

[Kaner587]

20 minutes ago, uofmiami said:

I don’t. Probably put a ruler into the ground & called it a day. I think our area got around 7” with more further E into W Suffolk. 

Agree

[RU848789]

Speaking of inflated measurements, someone else in Metuchen reported 8.7" vs. my report of 6.7". There's simply no way that's right, as it's an outlier vs. all other county reports (especially when, generally, more snow fell in southern Middlesex than northern) and it's a huge outlier vs. the nearby Edison reports (6.6" and 5.6") and my report of 6.7". Even when I measured on grass, the most I saw was about 7.4" so I can't imagine how someone got 8.7" - and Metuchen is only 1 square mile, so it's not like there is some gradient across town.  

...Middlesex County...
Metuchen 8.7 in 0945 AM 12/14 Public
Plainsboro Township 8.0 in 1100 AM 12/14 Public
Cranbury 7.3 in 1045 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
East Brunswick Twp 7.0 in 1045 AM 12/14 COCORAHS
Edison 6.6 in 1045 AM 12/14 Newspaper
North Brunswick Twp 1.5 W 6.6 in 0426 PM 12/14 COCORAHS
Parlin 6.4 in 0100 PM 12/14 Trained Spotter
East Brunswick 6.2 in 1100 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
Sayreville 6.0 in 1135 AM 12/14 Public
South River 5.8 in 1119 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
Edison 5.6 in 1145 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter

[The 4 Seasons]

7 hours ago, RU848789 said:

Speaking of inflated measurements, someone else in Metuchen reported 8.7" vs. my report of 6.7". There's simply no way that's right, as it's an outlier vs. all other county reports (especially when, generally, more snow fell in southern Middlesex than northern) and it's a huge outlier vs. the nearby Edison reports (6.6" and 5.6") and my report of 6.7". Even when I measured on grass, the most I saw was about 7.4" so I can't imagine how someone got 8.7" - and Metuchen is only 1 square mile, so it's not like there is some gradient across town.  

...Middlesex County...
Metuchen 8.7 in 0945 AM 12/14 Public
Plainsboro Township 8.0 in 1100 AM 12/14 Public
Cranbury 7.3 in 1045 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
East Brunswick Twp 7.0 in 1045 AM 12/14 COCORAHS
Edison 6.6 in 1045 AM 12/14 Newspaper
North Brunswick Twp 1.5 W 6.6 in 0426 PM 12/14 COCORAHS
Parlin 6.4 in 0100 PM 12/14 Trained Spotter
East Brunswick 6.2 in 1100 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
Sayreville 6.0 in 1135 AM 12/14 Public
South River 5.8 in 1119 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter
Edison 5.6 in 1145 AM 12/14 Trained Spotter

thank you i knew that report was bogus and inflated. I took it out of the final map im working on

[jm1220]

8 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

thank you i knew that report was bogus and inflated. I took it out of the final map im working on

I doubt the Syosset 9” is accurate either. 

[NorthShoreWx]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

I doubt the Syosset 9” is accurate either. 

I got 9+ on the grass too.  The 3 boards were all the same at 7.6.  it's cool how consistent they were with no wind...easy measurement.  There's no consistency on the lawn.

[jm1220]

Just now, NorthShoreWx said:

I got 9+ on the grass too.  The 3 boards were all the same at 7.6.  it's cool how consistent they were with no wind...easy measurement.  There's no consistency on the lawn.

I used the top of my deck table which was in a good spot. Easy to measure like you said. 

[BxEngine]

1 hour ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I got 9+ on the grass too.  The 3 boards were all the same at 7.6.  it's cool how consistent they were with no wind...easy measurement.  There's no consistency on the lawn.

And @IrishRob17 thought i was joking when i said i keep the lawn higher for the last mow for that reason. Snow sticks to the top of the grass, i bury the ruler all the way to the frozen ground underneath, can easily inflate my totals another 2” sometimes lol. 
 

of course on the flip side is the guys who poopoo 1-3” snowfalls saying “it wont stick on the roads we wont get that much the models are wrong”…because we measure on 42nd street apparently.

[IrishRob17]

13 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

And @IrishRob17 thought i was joking when i said i keep the lawn higher for the last mow for that reason. Snow sticks to the top of the grass, i bury the ruler all the way to the frozen ground underneath, can easily inflate my totals another 2” sometimes lol. 
 

of course on the flip side is the guys who poopoo 1-3” snowfalls saying “it wont stick on the roads we wont get that much the models are wrong”…because we measure on 42nd street apparently.

Tis true, there's nearly always more in the yard than on on board, especially early in the season. Its even better if the ground isn't frozen yet, you can get the snow ruler to dig into the mud a bit. Winning. 

[NorthShoreWx]

16 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

And @IrishRob17 thought i was joking when i said i keep the lawn higher for the last mow for that reason. Snow sticks to the top of the grass, i bury the ruler all the way to the frozen ground underneath, can easily inflate my totals another 2” sometimes lol. 
 

of course on the flip side is the guys who poopoo 1-3” snowfalls saying “it wont stick on the roads we wont get that much the models are wrong”…because we measure on 42nd street apparently.

I do really well in early season events when I can push the ruler a few inches further into unfrozen ground.  The tall grass is just icing on the cake.