#NoPoles Posted Tuesday at 04:35 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:35 AM Currently temp is-15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted Tuesday at 04:43 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:43 AM As of this morning we’d picked up 6-7” of snow in the valley from our most recent Clipper, and Bolton Valley was reporting 10” of new snow in the last 48 hours. Based on my tour up at Bolton yesterday afternoon/evening, I knew that all the additional snow that fell overnight was going to create some excellent conditions. Temperatures were in the single digits F this morning, so I considered touring at Timberline with its lower elevations and typically warmer conditions, as long as the snowpack looked like it was ready. Indeed the base depths and powder seemed fine even down at 1,500’. In terms of powder depths, I was finding 8-12” around 1,500’ at the Timberline Base and roughly 12-16” up near 2,500’. The snow was quite dry (liquid analyses for the storm revealed an average of 4-5% H2O), and that was helpful, because it was deep enough that you needed to be on moderate to steep pitches for good speed. The cold temperatures made the snow even a bit slower, so low-angle areas weren’t enough if you were in untracked powder. With bright sun and no wind, the temperatures were actually quite comfortable for touring, and the feel was much different than what single digits F feel like with clouds, snowfall, and wind. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted Tuesday at 11:09 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:09 AM -20 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted Tuesday at 08:39 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:39 PM Winter Weather Advisory up. ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM WEDNESDAY TO 1 AM EST THURSDAY... * WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 3 and 7 inches. * WHERE...Portions of central, northwest, and southern Vermont. * WHEN...From 7 AM Wednesday to 1 AM EST Thursday. * IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions will impact the Wednesday morning and evening commutes. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow is expected to occur between 10 AM and 3 PM Wednesday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted Tuesday at 09:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:19 PM I think SVT should be reasonably well with this. It's a poor man's bread and butter here with the SW flow upsloping into the Taconic's and Greens from the Hudson Valley. Well see I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstronomyEnjoyer Posted Tuesday at 09:47 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:47 PM River out back is about as frozen as it's ever been this early in the season. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW_of_GYX Posted yesterday at 01:35 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:35 AM Posting this here because the main thread is a dumpster fire. I’m going to be right on the mix line with tomorrow’s system in the foothills of Maine. Quick look at the NAM temp profiles and it seems more of a surface level issue than mid level warmth look so I’m leaning a slightly colder solution than modeled for my area. Tough forecast here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMainer Posted yesterday at 02:09 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:09 AM 30 minutes ago, NW_of_GYX said: Posting this here because the main thread is a dumpster fire. I’m going to be right on the mix line with tomorrow’s system in the foothills of Maine. Quick look at the NAM temp profiles and it seems more of a surface level issue than mid level warmth look so I’m leaning a slightly colder solution than modeled for my area. Tough forecast here. I think we're riding the razors edge at the house, groomer garage should do 2-3 inches better I think based on what I've seen, there is a change 6 miles north of here where they split the county for the NWS purposes and it's almost spot on overall as there is a few hundred feet gain in elevation between here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM It looks like the Winter Weather Advisories in this area start up at 7:00 A.M. tomorrow, and the forecast here in the valley suggests accumulations in the 3-6” range. That seems to line up well with the BTV NWS Event Total Snow Accumulation map through Thursday morning. The forecast also calls for a few inches of snow beyond that period, which is probably covered in the longer period map that mreaves posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted yesterday at 03:51 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:51 AM Light WAA snow has commenced in the Champlain Valley. Looks like the LLJ is here too with strong southerly channeled winds of S24G36. 22.7°F / 12°F. Incoming returns look a little stronger than I expected so maybe we’ll squeeze out 0.5” of windy snow before the clipper arrives around 7am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted yesterday at 02:02 PM Share Posted yesterday at 02:02 PM The first 10 days of December have been pretty chilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted yesterday at 03:47 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:47 PM Expecting 1" or so then some glop. Won't matter in a couple weeks anyways if models are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted yesterday at 04:35 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:35 PM Coldest start to December since 1989, which was 14° BN for Dec 1-9 (in Gardiner). First flakes at 10:25 this morning, not including the 0.1" dusting last night.(Had to use the decimal as T mucks up my formulas.) DECEM 2025 Date High Low Mean HDDs Rain Snow Snowpak Departure 1 34 16 25 40 1 -2.4 -2.4 2 21 10 15.5 49.5 0.43 5.2 6 -11.2 -6.8 3 33 19 26 39 0.06 1.7 7 -0.2 -4.6 4 30 6 18 47 0.00005 0.00005 6 -7.8 -5.4 5 16 -9 3.5 61.5 6 -21.8 -8.7 6 18 -4 7 58 0.00005 0.00005 5 -17.8 -10.2 7 26 3 14.5 50.5 0.04 0.5 6 -9.9 -10.1 8 20 -3 8.5 56.5 0.05 0.9 6 -15.5 -10.8 9 18 -18 0 65 6 -23.3 -12.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Underperforming a bit here. Right around an inch so far. An inch yesterday too in unrelated upslope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago -SN, 30/25°F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: Underperforming a bit here. Right around an inch so far. An inch yesterday too in unrelated upslope. I don't know where you are exactly, but you maybe be downsloping a bit on S/SW wind. Or maybe its just not enough lift into your area, not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW_of_GYX Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Quick 2” in the last 2 hours and temp has dropped to 27. We’ll see how long we can hold onto the CAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said: I don't know where you are exactly, but you maybe be downsloping a bit on S/SW wind. Or maybe its just not enough lift into your area, not sure. I’m in Saranac Lake. You may be right about the downsloping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Just now, WxWatcher007 said: I’m in Saranac Lake. You may be right about the downsloping. Yea I know your in SLK, meant more that that there are probably nuances within short distances there like many terrain influenced areas of NNE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 3” so far at all elevations from town to upper mountain. Really no change with elevation it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 6.2" as of 330. Zero wind, just stacking up nicely. Think the heaviest of it is over, but maybe still squeeze out a few inches more. Still coming down at maybe 1/2" hour clip. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppy Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Over performer..or..under forecasted 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 4” at base snow plot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Pushing 2”. Over a foot on the season now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I spoke too soon. Last night we produced with the backside fluff. Final of 3.1" not including the other inch in the prior day. Very interesting that nighttime produces so well here. There's a meaningful difference even when temperatures are solidly below freezing. It's stark compared to anywhere else I've lived. Not sure why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 45 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: I spoke too soon. Last night we produced with the backside fluff. Final of 3.1" not including the other inch in the prior day. Very interesting that nighttime produces so well here. There's a meaningful difference even when temperatures are solidly below freezing. It's stark compared to anywhere else I've lived. Not sure why that is. 100% agree and same for down here, speaking mainly for my experience with W/NW orographic /upslope snow. The good producers are almost always at night here. Maybe places like Stowe or Jay it is more even, but I can say for down here there is a stark difference. I feel this has been talked about at some point maybe years ago, I just cant remember that reason. I think one of the possible reasons was during the day with the Sun it can make them more convective in nature vs at night more stratiform without the daytime heating (relative). I may be completely off on that though...lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Totals for VT ...Vermont... ...Addison County... Starksboro 4.4 ENE 2.7 in 0900 AM 12/11 44.24N/72.97W Bristol 2.2 in 0645 AM 12/11 44.14N/73.09W/533 Shoreham 3.5 NNE 2.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 43.94N/73.28W/275 Vergennes 1.4 in 0430 AM 12/11 44.17N/73.25W/194 ...Bennington County... 5 NNW Londonderry 12.0 in 0710 AM 12/11 5 S Woodford State Park 7.8 in 1029 PM 12/10 Public Stamford 5.0 NNE 3.6 in 0400 PM 12/10 COCORAHS ...Caledonia County... Wheelock 1.6 S 5.4 in 0600 AM 12/11 44.56N/72.09W/1158 Sutton 5.3 in 0821 AM 12/11 44.61N/72.05W/1500 Wells River 2.1 WNW 5.0 in 0656 AM 12/11 44.23N/72.11W/1206 2 NE East Lyndon 5.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.54N/71.94W West Burke 5.0 in 0728 AM 12/11 44.64N/71.98W Danville 0.4 N 4.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.42N/72.14W/1406 St. Johnsbury 0.4 N 3.2 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.42N/72.02W ...Chittenden County... Underhill 5.1 NNE 5.1 in 0630 AM 12/11 44.60N/72.92W/908 2 NNE Underhill 4.0 in 0822 AM 12/11 44.55N/72.93W/1000 Underhill 3.6 ESE 3.5 in 0740 AM 12/11 44.50N/72.88W Williston 0.2 WSW 3.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.44N/73.07W/518 Nashville 1 E 2.9 in 0645 AM 12/11 44.45N/72.93W/825 Huntington 1.1 E 2.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.32N/72.97W/991 Huntington 6.5 S 2.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 44.23N/72.96W/1096 Hinesburg 0.9 N 2.8 in 0854 AM 12/11 44.34N/73.11W/519 Hinesburg 1.5 SW 2.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.32N/73.14W/435 Shelburne 0.5 ENE 1.7 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.38N/73.22W South Burlington 2.6 SSW 1.7 in 0800 AM 12/11 44.42N/73.19W South Burlington 2.4 NNE 1.5 in 0908 AM 12/11 44.49N/73.16W Burlington 3.8 NW 0.8 in 0800 AM 12/11 44.52N/73.26W/177 ...Essex County... 1 NW Maidstone State Park 8.5 in 0906 AM 12/11 44.66N/71.65W Lunenburg 2.3 NNW 5.0 in 0500 AM 12/11 44.49N/71.70W/1472 Island Pond 4.0 in 0932 AM 12/11 44.81N/71.89W/1200 ...Franklin County... Enosburg Falls 2.5 N 5.9 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.94N/72.80W Montgomery 4.1 ESE 5.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.88N/72.56W/1005 Swanton 0.5 NNE 3.3 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.93N/73.12W/139 ...Lamoille County... Morrisville 7.3 in 0726 AM 12/11 44.56N/72.60W Johnson 2 N 6.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.66N/72.68W/980 Stowe 0.2 SW 5.7 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.46N/72.69W/731 Jeffersonville 1.3 SSW 5.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.63N/72.84W/804 2.5 N Smugglers Notch 5.1 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.58N/72.79W/1163 Cambridge 5.0 in 0918 AM 12/11 44.65N/72.88W ...Orange County... Randolph 7.5 in 1031 PM 12/10 43.92N/72.67W Braintree 2.8 SW 4.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.94N/72.75W/1610 Bradford 2.2 NNW 3.8 in 0530 AM 12/11 44.02N/72.15W/1124 1.5 E Corinth Corners 3.7 in 0650 AM 12/11 44.01N/72.32W/1180 2 SE Strafford 3.2 in 0630 AM 12/11 43.83N/72.36W Williamstown 3.0 WSW 2.4 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.11N/72.60W/1565 ...Orleans County... Westfield 0.8 WNW 8.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.89N/72.44W/1068 1 WNW Albany 6.5 in 0736 AM 12/11 44.74N/72.40W Craftsbury Common 6.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.66N/72.39W Greensboro 3.9 NNE 6.0 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.63N/72.28W/2035 Morgan 6.7 SE 5.5 in 0645 AM 12/11 44.86N/71.91W/1341 2 NNE Albany Center 5.3 in 0855 AM 12/11 44.76N/72.33W 2 N Greensboro 5.2 in 0948 AM 12/11 44.61N/72.29W Derby Line 1.9 W 5.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 45.00N/72.14W/771 Greensboro 2.1 NNW 5.1 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.61N/72.31W/1495 Brownington 4.7 ESE 4.7 in 0800 AM 12/11 44.81N/72.08W/1467 ...Rutland County... West Rutland 0.9 SSE 5.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 43.58N/73.04W/545 2 NE Hortonia 5.0 in 0400 PM 12/10 43.76N/73.20W 1 N Rutland 4.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.63N/72.98W/620 Rutland 1.2 N 4.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.63N/72.98W/629 Shrewsbury 0.8 W 4.5 in 0600 AM 12/11 43.51N/72.88W Pittsford 2.2 SSE 4.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 43.68N/73.02W Wallingford 2.7 SSW 3.6 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.43N/72.99W/602 ...Washington County... 3 SSW Waterbury 8.7 in 0445 PM 12/10 44.30N/72.78W Waterbury 3.0 NW 7.1 in 0600 AM 12/11 44.36N/72.81W/458 Woodbury 3.4 NNW 6.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.49N/72.43W/1624 1.6 W Worcester 6.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.37N/72.58W/1360 East Calais 1.5 SW 5.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.36N/72.46W/1054 Northfield 1.5 N 3.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.17N/72.65W/672 East Montpelier 3.5 in 0730 AM 12/11 44.27N/72.50W Montpelier 1.7 NE 3.0 in 0800 AM 12/11 44.28N/72.55W Warren 2.8 E 2.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 44.11N/72.80W ...Windsor County... Andover 2.5 NW 7.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.30N/72.74W/1766 Ludlow 3.4 S 6.8 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.35N/72.70W/1727 3 S Ludlow 6.5 in 0830 PM 12/10 43.35N/72.70W Proctorsville 0.3 NNE 6.4 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.39N/72.64W/983 Chester 4.1 WNW 6.1 in 0800 AM 12/11 43.27N/72.67W Hartland 4.1 W 5.5 in 0800 AM 12/11 43.53N/72.48W/1140 Chester 3.0 WSW 5.2 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.24N/72.65W/1097 Barnard 2.7 NW 4.5 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.75N/72.66W 3 NW Barnard 4.5 in 0716 AM 12/11 43.76N/72.66W Rochester 1.7 NNE 3.6 in 0500 AM 12/11 43.90N/72.80W 0.6 E Woodstock 3.6 in 0800 AM 12/11 43.63N/72.51W/600 North Hartland 1 NNE 3.0 in 0700 AM 12/11 43.60N/72.36W/562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said: I spoke too soon. Last night we produced with the backside fluff. Final of 3.1" not including the other inch in the prior day. Very interesting that nighttime produces so well here. There's a meaningful difference even when temperatures are solidly below freezing. It's stark compared to anywhere else I've lived. Not sure why that is. 27 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said: 100% agree and same for down here, speaking mainly for my experience with W/NW orographic /upslope snow. The good producers are almost always at night here. Maybe places like Stowe or Jay it is more even, but I can say for down here there is a stark difference. I feel this has been talked about at some point maybe years ago, I just cant remember that reason. I think one of the possible reasons was during the day with the Sun it can make them more convective in nature vs at night more stratiform without the daytime heating (relative). I may be completely off on that though...lol. Nighttime is definitely more productive upslope and my theory has always been it has to do with the developing nocturnal inversion that happens at night. It tends to allow for a more concentrated band of low level snow. Daytime heating tends to disrupt it to some degree (of course unless it is just a monster set up and moisture/wind overpowers it, ie northern Greens)... I feel like the most concentrated upslope bands occur once the nocturnal inversion tries to set in aloft, trapping moisture in the low levels too, enhancing the terrain's influence further... while daytime heating causes it to go more cellular or convective showers. I think we see it with Lake Effect too... you see more cellular squally stuff during the day but then at night you get those diesel bands of 3-5"/hr that just park themselves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 25 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Nighttime is definitely more productive upslope and my theory has always been it has to do with the developing nocturnal inversion that happens at night. It tends to allow for a more concentrated band of low level snow. Daytime heating tends to disrupt it to some degree (of course unless it is just a monster set up and moisture/wind overpowers it, ie northern Greens)... I feel like the most concentrated upslope bands occur once the nocturnal inversion tries to set in aloft, trapping moisture in the low levels too, enhancing the terrain's influence further... while daytime heating causes it to go more cellular or convective showers. I think we see it with Lake Effect too... you see more cellular squally stuff during the day but then at night you get those diesel bands of 3-5"/hr that just park themselves. Thats a great hypothesis and concur. My place is about 10-12 miles ENE of WxWatcher007 in SLK- on the base of the Northern slope of Whiteface Mountain. Its around 1900 ft. I see the same phenomenon (and did this morning, too) regularly of slight enehanced upslope rates/accumulation overnight. Thanks for characterizing what I've noticed but hadn't articulated! Interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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