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18 minutes ago, psv88 said:

We don’t need more rain…

We all need more rain but I'd prefer if we'd dry out from the latest rainfall along the coastal areas.  Further inland could definitely use some rain, as they missed out on the Nor'easter.

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6 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

The normals aren't simple arithmetic averages. In fact, with the 1991-2020 normals, it looks like they were piloting some sort of new method of calculating them in Ohio, where the normals are significantly above the means.

This is especially prevalent at Toledo, where the normal is an unbelievable 1.9F above the calculated mean. It appears to be a new methodology to factor in the warming trend, so more months are near or below average, instead of exclusively above average. Because of this change, even a "normal" year would be among the warmest ever recorded at Toledo. Just another way for them to hide the incline, I guess. :fever:

 

 

I don't understand what you're saying. How can a 30 year normal be anything other than the average of the previous 30 years of temperatures?

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8 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Looking at Newark, New Jersey, it's not as clear cut. It's teetering on the edge of summertime, as there is only one colder meteorological summer month in the expanded history (June 1903), although the mean high in June 1859 was only 0.1F warmer than the first two weeks of October 2025.

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honestly, I only go by number of 90, 95 and 100 degree days, this summer cooled off in August and was cool for the first half of September.

summer ends with the last 90 degree day

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8 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I would say this is endless summer. At least it is in Ohio, not sure about New York City. This is one thing you often overlook by focusing on the anomalous past warm years, there were a lot of historic years that were VERY cold.

Looking at Cleveland, the first two weeks of October is running warmer than several historic Junes and even some of the coldest Augusts. Nobody would say June or August aren't summer months, just because they are colder than average. So if those months were colder than this October, and yet still considered to be summer, I would say you must accept that it is still summer.

The mean high temperature for October so far is 72.7F.

We can see there were 18 historic Junes with mean high temperatures for the month at or below that temperature, most recently in 1972.

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And, for August, we can find one cooler year (1927) and one just 0.1F warmer than this October to date (1915). Nobody would say August 1927 wasn't a summer month.

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For us true summer ended after mid August.

It was a mid June to mid August summer here.

 

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9 hours ago, SACRUS said:

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 86 (1956)
NYC: 84 (1956)
LGA: 83 (2021)
JFK: 82 (1975)


Lows:

EWR: 32 (1937)
NYC: 32 (1876)
LGA: 39 (2009)
JFK: 37 (1999)

Historical:

1608: Evangelista Torricelli, the Italian physicist and mathematician who invented the barometer was born on this date. In 1644, Evangelista Torricelli, built the first barometer with mercury. The aneroid barometer was made first in 1843, the French scientist Lucien Vidie invented the aneroid barometer. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1876: Snow fell on the backside of a coastal storm from Virginia to New England. New York City, NY had its earliest 32° temperature and a half inch of snow. Fall River, MA reported 3.5 inches of snow. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1880: This was the beginning of what was called the  Mid West "Snow Winter of 1880-81". People were trapped in their homes and by the end of the winter it was reported snow was around 11 feet deep.

1880 - A violent early season blizzard raked Minnesota and the Dakotas. Winds gusted to 70 mph at Yankton SD, and snow drifts 10 to 15 feet high were reported in northwest Iowa and southeast South Dakota. Saint Paul MN reported a barometric pressure of 28.65 inches on the 16th. Railroads were blocked by drifts of snow which remained throughout the severe winter to follow. Gales did extensive damage to ship on the Great Lakes. (15th-16th) (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1947: People question attempts to weaken a hurricane by seeding it with dry ice after it made an unexpected turn off the coast making landfall near Savannah, GA with winds of 100 mph. One person was killed. Damage totaled $3 million dollars. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
 

1954 - Hurricane Hazel struck the Carolina coastline. The hurricane demolished every pier along a 170 mile stretch from Myrtle Beach SC to Cedar Island NC, and obliterated entire lines of beach homes. Hurricane Hazel also destroyed 1500 homes as it moved inland with seventeen foot tides. Winds between Myrtle Beach SC and Cape Fear NC gusted to 150 mph. Hurricane Hazel caused 163 million dollars damage, and claimed the lives of 98 persons. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1954: By 11 pm on the 15th, Hurricane Hazel had reached and crossed the waters of Lake Ontario, still sporting sustained winds as high as 60 mph. Hazel took direct aim at the heart of Toronto as it roared past at 49 mph. Toronto saw heavy rainfall before Hurricane Hazel on the 14th. The previous storm, in combination with the hurricane, resulted in significant flooding. 

1966 - Iowa experienced its worst late season tornado of record. In just one minute a twister tore through the town of Belmond leveling 75 percent of the businesses, and 100 homes, causing more than eleven million dollars damage. (The Weather Channel)

1984: The Monday Night Football game in Denver, Colorado, was played in a raging blizzard. 15 inches of snow fell with up to 34 inches reported in the nearby mountains. The Air Force Academy canceled classes for the first time in its' recorded history. 

1987 - Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season. Lows of 32 degrees at Harrisburg PA and 34 degrees at Parkersburg WV marked their third straight morning of record cold. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - The cold high pressure system responsible for the record low temperatures in the eastern U.S. began to move out to sea, giving way to a trend toward "Indian Summer". Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced golf ball size hail at Altamont KS and hail two inches in diameter at Yates City IL. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Hurricane Jerry made landfall at Galveston, TX, at 6 30 PM (CDT). Winds at the Galveston Airport reached 75 mph, with gusts to 100 mph. Tides along the island were six to eight feet, and rainfall totals ranged up to slightly more than six inches north of Beaumont. Three persons were killed when their vehicle was blown off the Galveston seawall into the pounding surf. Total damage along the Upper Texas Coast was estimated at fifteen million dollars. Thunderstorms produced severe weather in Lower Michigan during the late morning. Two persons were injured when a tree fell on their camper at the Traverse City State park. While strong northerly winds ushered much colder air into the central U.S., unseasonably warm weather continued in the south central and eastern U.S. The afternoon high of 82 degrees at Bluefield WV was a record for October. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

2005: On this date through the 17th, the summit of Mt. Washington, NH reported 34 inches of snow. The 24-hour record for the most snowfall occurred when 25.5 inches fell in 24 hours. (Ref. Wilson Weather History) (Ref. WxDoctor)

1987 - Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season. Lows of 32 degrees at Harrisburg PA and 34 degrees at Parkersburg WV marked their third straight morning of record cold. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - The cold high pressure system responsible for the record low temperatures in the eastern U.S. began to move out to sea, giving way to a trend toward "Indian Summer". Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced golf ball size hail at Altamont KS and hail two inches in diameter at Yates City IL. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

 

wow cold in both 1987 and 1988??


1876: Snow fell on the backside of a coastal storm from Virginia to New England. New York City, NY had its earliest 32° temperature and a half inch of snow. Fall River, MA reported 3.5 inches of snow. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
 

our earliest 32 degree temperature, I would have thought it would be earlier than this....

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9 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

More on the 1987 record cold

1987
Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery, AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season.
Daily record lows included: Sterling (Dulles Airport), VA: 28°,
Trenton, NJ: 30°, Allentown, PA: 30°-Tied,
Columbia, SC: 32°-Tied, Harrisburg, PA: 32°-Tied, Macon, GA: 33°,
Baltimore, MD: 33°-Tied, Parkersburg, WV: 34°, Chattanooga, TN: 34°,
Islip, NY: 34 (later tied in 2006) °, Montgomery, AL: 34°, Bridgeport, CT: 36°,
Augusta, GA: 36°-Tied and New York (Kennedy Airport), NY: 39°.
Harrisburg, PA 32 °F
(The National Weather Summary)

it was colder than this in 1999 though

 


JFK: 37 (1999)

after yet another super hot and very dry summer 

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20 hours ago, psv88 said:

You mean trade? These pests come over on ships from overseas. Ships have been engaged in trade for 1000 years. Ships brought over a lot of what we may think of as native. It’s how it always has been and always will be 

Maybe we just shouldn't be trading with those countries

Invasive species cause a lot of destruction.

 

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21 hours ago, Sundog said:

Globalism and all its wonderful side effects.

I lost a 60 year old Ash tree to the Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a beautiful canopy that provided tons of shade and a beautiful fall foliage. 

why can't we spray pesticides to destroy these pests?

there must be some concoction of toxic chemicals that could exterminate them

 

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On 10/14/2025 at 6:13 PM, Sundog said:

Never played football? 

And have you noticed our temperatures lately? I used to play a little football here or there when it was like 20 degrees outside with bare hands. 

Mid 40s is actually quite comfortable for exercise and sports. 

Football during the winter is definitely MUCH better than football in the summer

Every year we hear about kids dying in the South playing football in August =\

 

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