SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, psv88 said: Yea that mostly sunny forecast is a bust Even partly cloudy forecasts are not materializing. I did see mostly sunny and still see that for this area of NJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 51 minutes ago, SACRUS said: Even partly cloudy forecasts are not materializing. I did see mostly sunny and still see that for this area of NJ. Yeah, cloudy with a few breaks of sun has been more like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, SACRUS said: Even partly cloudy forecasts are not materializing. I did see mostly sunny and still see that for this area of NJ. Sunny now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago wind kicking up here with partly sunny now 65 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 5 hours ago, Stormlover74 said: Gfs and euro both have a decent amount of rain on Monday Welp they've already lost most of the rain 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said: Welp they've already lost most of the rain We don’t need more rain… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, psv88 said: We don’t need more rain… We all need more rain but I'd prefer if we'd dry out from the latest rainfall along the coastal areas. Further inland could definitely use some rain, as they missed out on the Nor'easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgerb Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, psv88 said: We don’t need more rain… Some of us definitely do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 33 minutes ago, mgerb said: Some of us definitely do. Didn’t realize NJ was so dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 37 minutes ago, mgerb said: Some of us definitely do. I didn't really rain too much with the Nor'Easter in the D1 and D2 shades to make a dent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago As Walt Drag noted above, blocking continues so expect some more storms and rains...definitely not like last year's bone dry fall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 6 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: The normals aren't simple arithmetic averages. In fact, with the 1991-2020 normals, it looks like they were piloting some sort of new method of calculating them in Ohio, where the normals are significantly above the means. This is especially prevalent at Toledo, where the normal is an unbelievable 1.9F above the calculated mean. It appears to be a new methodology to factor in the warming trend, so more months are near or below average, instead of exclusively above average. Because of this change, even a "normal" year would be among the warmest ever recorded at Toledo. Just another way for them to hide the incline, I guess. I don't understand what you're saying. How can a 30 year normal be anything other than the average of the previous 30 years of temperatures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 46 minutes ago Share Posted 46 minutes ago 8 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: Looking at Newark, New Jersey, it's not as clear cut. It's teetering on the edge of summertime, as there is only one colder meteorological summer month in the expanded history (June 1903), although the mean high in June 1859 was only 0.1F warmer than the first two weeks of October 2025. honestly, I only go by number of 90, 95 and 100 degree days, this summer cooled off in August and was cool for the first half of September. summer ends with the last 90 degree day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 46 minutes ago Share Posted 46 minutes ago 8 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: I would say this is endless summer. At least it is in Ohio, not sure about New York City. This is one thing you often overlook by focusing on the anomalous past warm years, there were a lot of historic years that were VERY cold. Looking at Cleveland, the first two weeks of October is running warmer than several historic Junes and even some of the coldest Augusts. Nobody would say June or August aren't summer months, just because they are colder than average. So if those months were colder than this October, and yet still considered to be summer, I would say you must accept that it is still summer. The mean high temperature for October so far is 72.7F. We can see there were 18 historic Junes with mean high temperatures for the month at or below that temperature, most recently in 1972. And, for August, we can find one cooler year (1927) and one just 0.1F warmer than this October to date (1915). Nobody would say August 1927 wasn't a summer month. For us true summer ended after mid August. It was a mid June to mid August summer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago 9 hours ago, SACRUS said: Records: Highs: EWR: 86 (1956) NYC: 84 (1956) LGA: 83 (2021) JFK: 82 (1975) Lows: EWR: 32 (1937) NYC: 32 (1876) LGA: 39 (2009) JFK: 37 (1999) Historical: 1608: Evangelista Torricelli, the Italian physicist and mathematician who invented the barometer was born on this date. In 1644, Evangelista Torricelli, built the first barometer with mercury. The aneroid barometer was made first in 1843, the French scientist Lucien Vidie invented the aneroid barometer. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) 1876: Snow fell on the backside of a coastal storm from Virginia to New England. New York City, NY had its earliest 32° temperature and a half inch of snow. Fall River, MA reported 3.5 inches of snow. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) 1880: This was the beginning of what was called the Mid West "Snow Winter of 1880-81". People were trapped in their homes and by the end of the winter it was reported snow was around 11 feet deep. 1880 - A violent early season blizzard raked Minnesota and the Dakotas. Winds gusted to 70 mph at Yankton SD, and snow drifts 10 to 15 feet high were reported in northwest Iowa and southeast South Dakota. Saint Paul MN reported a barometric pressure of 28.65 inches on the 16th. Railroads were blocked by drifts of snow which remained throughout the severe winter to follow. Gales did extensive damage to ship on the Great Lakes. (15th-16th) (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel) 1947: People question attempts to weaken a hurricane by seeding it with dry ice after it made an unexpected turn off the coast making landfall near Savannah, GA with winds of 100 mph. One person was killed. Damage totaled $3 million dollars. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) 1954 - Hurricane Hazel struck the Carolina coastline. The hurricane demolished every pier along a 170 mile stretch from Myrtle Beach SC to Cedar Island NC, and obliterated entire lines of beach homes. Hurricane Hazel also destroyed 1500 homes as it moved inland with seventeen foot tides. Winds between Myrtle Beach SC and Cape Fear NC gusted to 150 mph. Hurricane Hazel caused 163 million dollars damage, and claimed the lives of 98 persons. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel) 1954: By 11 pm on the 15th, Hurricane Hazel had reached and crossed the waters of Lake Ontario, still sporting sustained winds as high as 60 mph. Hazel took direct aim at the heart of Toronto as it roared past at 49 mph. Toronto saw heavy rainfall before Hurricane Hazel on the 14th. The previous storm, in combination with the hurricane, resulted in significant flooding. 1966 - Iowa experienced its worst late season tornado of record. In just one minute a twister tore through the town of Belmond leveling 75 percent of the businesses, and 100 homes, causing more than eleven million dollars damage. (The Weather Channel) 1984: The Monday Night Football game in Denver, Colorado, was played in a raging blizzard. 15 inches of snow fell with up to 34 inches reported in the nearby mountains. The Air Force Academy canceled classes for the first time in its' recorded history. 1987 - Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season. Lows of 32 degrees at Harrisburg PA and 34 degrees at Parkersburg WV marked their third straight morning of record cold. (The National Weather Summary) 1988 - The cold high pressure system responsible for the record low temperatures in the eastern U.S. began to move out to sea, giving way to a trend toward "Indian Summer". Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced golf ball size hail at Altamont KS and hail two inches in diameter at Yates City IL. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) 1989 - Hurricane Jerry made landfall at Galveston, TX, at 6 30 PM (CDT). Winds at the Galveston Airport reached 75 mph, with gusts to 100 mph. Tides along the island were six to eight feet, and rainfall totals ranged up to slightly more than six inches north of Beaumont. Three persons were killed when their vehicle was blown off the Galveston seawall into the pounding surf. Total damage along the Upper Texas Coast was estimated at fifteen million dollars. Thunderstorms produced severe weather in Lower Michigan during the late morning. Two persons were injured when a tree fell on their camper at the Traverse City State park. While strong northerly winds ushered much colder air into the central U.S., unseasonably warm weather continued in the south central and eastern U.S. The afternoon high of 82 degrees at Bluefield WV was a record for October. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 2005: On this date through the 17th, the summit of Mt. Washington, NH reported 34 inches of snow. The 24-hour record for the most snowfall occurred when 25.5 inches fell in 24 hours. (Ref. Wilson Weather History) (Ref. WxDoctor) 1987 - Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season. Lows of 32 degrees at Harrisburg PA and 34 degrees at Parkersburg WV marked their third straight morning of record cold. (The National Weather Summary) 1988 - The cold high pressure system responsible for the record low temperatures in the eastern U.S. began to move out to sea, giving way to a trend toward "Indian Summer". Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced golf ball size hail at Altamont KS and hail two inches in diameter at Yates City IL. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) wow cold in both 1987 and 1988?? 1876: Snow fell on the backside of a coastal storm from Virginia to New England. New York City, NY had its earliest 32° temperature and a half inch of snow. Fall River, MA reported 3.5 inches of snow. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) our earliest 32 degree temperature, I would have thought it would be earlier than this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 40 minutes ago Share Posted 40 minutes ago 9 hours ago, SACRUS said: More on the 1987 record cold 1987 Unseasonably cold weather continued in the eastern U.S., with thirteen cities reporting record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Montgomery, AL was their coldest reading of record for so early in the season. Daily record lows included: Sterling (Dulles Airport), VA: 28°, Trenton, NJ: 30°, Allentown, PA: 30°-Tied, Columbia, SC: 32°-Tied, Harrisburg, PA: 32°-Tied, Macon, GA: 33°, Baltimore, MD: 33°-Tied, Parkersburg, WV: 34°, Chattanooga, TN: 34°, Islip, NY: 34 (later tied in 2006) °, Montgomery, AL: 34°, Bridgeport, CT: 36°, Augusta, GA: 36°-Tied and New York (Kennedy Airport), NY: 39°. Harrisburg, PA 32 °F (The National Weather Summary) it was colder than this in 1999 though JFK: 37 (1999) after yet another super hot and very dry summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 39 minutes ago Share Posted 39 minutes ago 11 hours ago, Sundog said: Not too bad considering the torch we had to endure what torch lol, the humidity was low the weather was great true misery was the days of clouds and winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 38 minutes ago Share Posted 38 minutes ago 11 hours ago, Sundog said: Not too bad considering the torch we had to endure the stink bug! the spotted lanternfly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 37 minutes ago Share Posted 37 minutes ago 20 hours ago, psv88 said: You mean trade? These pests come over on ships from overseas. Ships have been engaged in trade for 1000 years. Ships brought over a lot of what we may think of as native. It’s how it always has been and always will be Maybe we just shouldn't be trading with those countries Invasive species cause a lot of destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 36 minutes ago Share Posted 36 minutes ago 21 hours ago, Sundog said: Globalism and all its wonderful side effects. I lost a 60 year old Ash tree to the Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a beautiful canopy that provided tons of shade and a beautiful fall foliage. why can't we spray pesticides to destroy these pests? there must be some concoction of toxic chemicals that could exterminate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 33 minutes ago Share Posted 33 minutes ago On 10/14/2025 at 5:54 PM, HailMan06 said: Yeah I have to agree. IMO the two biggest causes for Gen Z’s academic struggles were remote learning during COVID and cellphone use in school. cellphone use in school has now been banned statewide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 32 minutes ago Share Posted 32 minutes ago On 10/14/2025 at 5:24 PM, Brian5671 said: move to iceland...it barely clears the horizon for a few hours...no sun angle issues ever the only way everyone will be happy is if we somehow figure out a way to neutralize the earth's axial tilt lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 30 minutes ago Share Posted 30 minutes ago On 10/14/2025 at 6:13 PM, Sundog said: Never played football? And have you noticed our temperatures lately? I used to play a little football here or there when it was like 20 degrees outside with bare hands. Mid 40s is actually quite comfortable for exercise and sports. Football during the winter is definitely MUCH better than football in the summer Every year we hear about kids dying in the South playing football in August =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 27 minutes ago Share Posted 27 minutes ago 2 hours ago, psv88 said: Didn’t realize NJ was so dry this is okay, NJ gets more rain from frontal passages than we do anyway we get the most rain from coastal storms they get the most rain from cutters and frontal passages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 27 minutes ago Share Posted 27 minutes ago 2 hours ago, Sundog said: I don't understand what you're saying. How can a 30 year normal be anything other than the average of the previous 30 years of temperatures? he also doesn't think 1993 was all that hot lol we lived through 1993 we know exactly how hot it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 24 minutes ago Share Posted 24 minutes ago 3 hours ago, mgerb said: Some of us definitely do. I think it's better if the rains are spaced out by at least a week. It rained for 4 days here. I like frontal passages for NJ, you'll get most of the rain there, they dry out when they get to Long Island. Best for both lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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