October 2025 Discussion and Obs

[FPizz]

50 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

again school hours can be adjusted

do the first hour of school on remote learning if necessary

Sports and after school activities prohibit how much school hours can be adjusted, especially for fields that don't have lights, which are still many.  You also have to take into account travel from one school to the next.  Also bussing schedules

[Brian5671]

my guess is we'll be having this same EDT/EST discussion 5 yrs from now-there's no one way everyone will agree on so bet on the status quo

[Sundog]

55 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

We tried this in the 70s and it was a disaster. Standard time is the way to go. It matches much better with our circadian rhythms. 

There's no debate 

So the Sun rising at 4AM in summer is what's natural? We have so much artificial light that "what's natural" is meaningless. Just having the lights on, watching TV and being on your phone completely negates any benefit from having standard time year round. 

The only natural rhythm is the one of equatorial regions if we are going to go the evolutionary route. 

[Sundog]

47 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Outdoor sports in January?   LOL

Never played football? 

And have you noticed our temperatures lately? I used to play a little football here or there when it was like 20 degrees outside with bare hands. 

Mid 40s is actually quite comfortable for exercise and sports. 

[psv88]

36 minutes ago, HailMan06 said:

Yeah I have to agree. IMO the two biggest causes for Gen Z’s academic struggles were remote learning during COVID and cellphone use in school.

My kids both learned remotely and were fine. I think this is overblown

[weatherpruf]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

So the Sun rising at 4AM in summer is what's natural? We have so much artificial light that "what's natural" is meaningless. Just having the lights on, watching TV and being on your phone completely negates any benefit from having standard time year round. 

The only natural rhythm is the one of equatorial regions if we are going to go the evolutionary route. 

when i started teaching in 1988, teachers told me what a disaster it was in the 70s as they watched the sunrise during first period....kids at the bus stops in the dark, walking to school in the dark...

[weatherpruf]

1 hour ago, psv88 said:

My kids both learned remotely and were fine. I think this is overblown

many kids did not do well, i was working in schools at the time. motivated kids did well, others did not, and the data bears this out. but hindsight is 20-20 and there was no playbook for this. over a million dead...the worst results in the developed world. my kids did fine online, but some kids just never logged in. 

[weatherpruf]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

Never played football? 

And have you noticed our temperatures lately? I used to play a little football here or there when it was like 20 degrees outside with bare hands. 

Mid 40s is actually quite comfortable for exercise and sports. 

sure, if you have a good down parka.....i used to hike all winter, jogged when i was younger. it was cold. very much so.

[donsutherland1]

Tomorrow will be partly sunny and milder with highs reaching the middle 60s. However, a fresh shot of cool air will move into the region late in the day or at night. Following the frontal passage, parts of the region could experience their coolest temperatures so far this fall. Dry conditions will likely prevail through the remainder of the week.

In the 18 past years where Central Park saw at least two 80° or above highs and Newark saw at least two 84° or above highs during the first week of October, the temperature returned to 70° or above on at least one day during the second half of October in 17 (94.4%) of those cases. For all other cases, 84.1% saw at least one such high temperature during the second half of October. Therefore, the sharp cool spell very likely won't mean that New York City has seen its last 70° or above high temperature. 

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.1°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.3°C for the week centered around October 8. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.12°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.42°C. La Niña conditions will likely continue through mid-winter.

The SOI was -3.48 today. 

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.487 today. 

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 66% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal October (1991-2020 normal). October will likely finish with a mean temperature near 58.9° (1.0° above normal). 

Supplemental Information: The projected mean would be 2.0° above the 1981-2010 normal monthly value.

 

[LAVistaNY]

On 10/13/2025 at 8:12 AM, bluewave said:

The one small piece of good news regarding all the tree damage starting with the March 2010 nor’easter is that many of the weaker trees are no longer around. Residents and power companies have been very proactive removing older damaged trees rather than waiting for another storm to blow them down. The landscape in a place like Long Beach is completely different due to them losing all their sycamores with the salt water damage in Sandy. 

That has not been my experience- we’ve lost almost all our ash in the last 10 years and now beech leaf disease is killing all the beech!

[Sundog]

3 minutes ago, LAVistaNY said:

That has not been my experience- we’ve lost almost all our ash in the last 10 years and now beech leaf disease is killing all the beech!

Globalism and all its wonderful side effects.

I lost a 60 year old Ash tree to the Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a beautiful canopy that provided tons of shade and a beautiful fall foliage. 

[psv88]

14 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Globalism and all its wonderful side effects.

I lost a 60 year old Ash tree to the Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a beautiful canopy that provided tons of shade and a beautiful fall foliage. 

You mean trade? These pests come over on ships from overseas. Ships have been engaged in trade for 1000 years. Ships brought over a lot of what we may think of as native. It’s how it always has been and always will be