GaWx Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 14 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: Phase 4 by the 22nd. Hopefully enough time left on the clock for another snowy period. Worst case is its too late but we end up with yet another cold and rainy spring. I finally finished my analysis of temperatures at Baltimore (as a rep. of the middle portion of the E coast) during the 20 La Niña Februaries (566 days, a big sample) by MJO phase. Keep in mind that La Niña Februaries in the E US have averaged a bit AN (+2.3F at Baltimore) as expected. That shouldn’t be forgotten when looking at each phase. So, that’s going to make it hard for any Niña phase to be cold in Feb. If a phase is colder (warmer) than +2.3, I’m considering it a cold (warm) phase on average relative to La Niña Feb climo. Here are the resulting anomalies (in degrees F) keeping in mind these are merely averages of a wide range from MB or B to MA for each phase: Phase 1: +2.1 (near Niña Feb climo) Phase 2: +4.4 (2nd warmest) Phase 3: -1.5 (easily coldest at 3.8 colder than Niña Feb climo) Phase 4: +3.3 Phase 5: +3.1 Phase 6: +5.5 (warmest) Phase 7: +2.2 (near Nina Feb climo) Phase 8: +0.7 (2nd coldest) Data sources: 1. MJO for each day of the 20 La Niña Febs: https://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/IDCKGEM000/rmm.74toRealtime.txt 2. Daily Baltimore temperatures for each day in Feb: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=lwx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 10 hours ago, GaWx said: I finally finished my analysis of temperatures at Baltimore (as a rep. of the middle portion of the E coast) during the 20 La Niña Februaries (566 days, a big sample) by MJO phase. Keep in mind that La Niña Februaries in the E US have averaged a bit AN (+2.3F at Baltimore) as expected. That shouldn’t be forgotten when looking at each phase. So, that’s going to make it hard for any Niña phase to be cold in Feb. If a phase is colder (warmer) than +2.3, I’m considering it a cold (warm) phase on average relative to La Niña Feb climo. Here are the resulting anomalies (in degrees F) keeping in mind these are merely averages of a wide range from MB or B to MA for each phase: Phase 1: +2.1 (near Niña Feb climo) Phase 2: +4.4 (2nd warmest) Phase 3: -1.5 (easily coldest at 3.8 colder than Niña Feb climo) Phase 4: +3.3 Phase 5: +3.1 Phase 6: +5.5 (warmest) Phase 7: +2.2 (near Nina Feb climo) Phase 8: +0.7 (2nd coldest) Data sources: 1. MJO for each day of the 20 La Niña Febs: https://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/IDCKGEM000/rmm.74toRealtime.txt 2. Daily Baltimore temperatures for each day in Feb: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=lwx That is interesting! Looks like we have a decent pass through phase 3, however, I would love to get back to 8 for bigger storm potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago Well, obviously my time frame for the SSW will not work out after looking likely a week ago...but I'm till not convinced we don't pull it off later in the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 12 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Well, obviously my time frame for the SSW will not work out after looking likely a week ago...but I'm till not convinced we don't pull it off later in the month. Those things are really, really hard to predict, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyWxGuy Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Ideally, you would have wanted a SSW to take place by mid February in order to have its effects felt in March. Nothing but bad trends across the board for the long range so far. SSW looks less likely, and long range looks like warm/wet and cold/dry. Dry begets dry, and the drought conditions continue. The residual -NAO will likely help us remain cooler relative to average but the rest of CONUS will be torching and our source region gets real warm as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Well, obviously my time frame for the SSW will not work out after looking likely a week ago...but I'm till not convinced we don't pull it off later in the month. I’m starting to think if one actually does happen it will be in March, but at that point, it will basically function as an early final warming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Maestrobjwa said: Those things are really, really hard to predict, aren't they? Yes, but I think my wok has been pretty good....there is some degree of warming occurring right when I expected, but it turns out it will be more of a Canadian warming rather than a SSW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, NyWxGuy said: Ideally, you would have wanted a SSW to take place by mid February in order to have its effects felt in March. Nothing but bad trends across the board for the long range so far. SSW looks less likely, and long range looks like warm/wet and cold/dry. Dry begets dry, and the drought conditions continue. The residual -NAO will likely help us remain cooler relative to average but the rest of CONUS will be torching and our source region gets real warm as well. I agree on that, but SSW is not the only path to a Nice ending. I still like March, regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 58 minutes ago Share Posted 58 minutes ago 2 hours ago, NyWxGuy said: Ideally, you would have wanted a SSW to take place by mid February in order to have its effects felt in March. Nothing but bad trends across the board for the long range so far. SSW looks less likely, and long range looks like warm/wet and cold/dry. Dry begets dry, and the drought conditions continue. The residual -NAO will likely help us remain cooler relative to average but the rest of CONUS will be torching and our source region gets real warm as well. Today’s Euro Weeklies fwiw for Feb 23rd-Mar 22nd still show no sustained NE warmth and only limited sustained warmth at most in rest of E US: 2/23-3/1 cold NE/NN elsewhere: 3/2-8 NN NE; this is only AN week of these 4 weeks OH Valley to SE and it doesn’t even have sustained torching as it’s just the edge: 3/9-15 cooled back to NN all of E US: 3/16-22 NN entire E US: Notice that on all of these maps the W 1/2 of US is mild. More often than not, that supports the E US at the least not being mild and sometimes downright cold. This is certainly not a warm look for the E US and suggests no early spring despite the expected false spring next week. @40/70 Benchmark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 55 minutes ago Share Posted 55 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, GaWx said: Today’s Euro Weeklies fwiw for Feb 23rd-Mar 22nd still show no sustained NE warmth and only limited sustained warmth at most in rest of E US: 2/23-3/1 cold NE/NN elsewhere: 3/2-8 NN NE; this is only AN week of these 4 weeks OH Valley to SE and it doesn’t even have torching: 3/9-15 cooled back to NN all of E US: 3/16-22 NN entire E US: Notice that on all of these maps the W 1/2 of US is mild. More often than not, that supports the E US at the least not being mild and sometimes downright cold. This is certainly not a warm look for the E US and suggests no early spring despite the expected false spring next week. @40/70 Benchmark Euro and eps trended to a colder pattern moving forward. Sooner or later we will have a warm pattern but yet again it is getting muted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted 19 minutes ago Share Posted 19 minutes ago 26 minutes ago, GaWx said: Notice that on all of these maps the W 1/2 of US is mild. More often than not, that supports the E US at the least not being mild and sometimes downright cold. This is certainly not a warm look for the E US and suggests no early spring despite the expected false spring next week. Excellent point. We all know the west is having a record warm winter. In fact, I have never, EVER seen the west get as much attention on this forum as it has during this very cold Great Lakes/northeast winter. But lets not forget the basics - outside of some extreme years, the common rule of thumb is west warm/east cool and vice versa. Its the very common result of ridging and troughing. Personally, I am not looking forward to the false spring but I have a hope. Since Thanksgiving, except for 2 brief thaws, we have been treated to a continuous fresh, clean and glistening snow blanket (none of that hoping the torch passes to preseve a crusty pack) with nonstop cold. Feels like a Winnipeg winter. But whats been lacking locally is a real big storm (biggest was 6.2"). With the eroding of the deep cold and the getting to that time of year when real dynamic late winter/early spring storms can develop, its the transition from deep winter to gambling time. More risk, more reward type. Might as well buckle up, what have we got to lose? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GaWx Posted 8 minutes ago Share Posted 8 minutes ago 14 minutes ago, snowman19 said: The EW week 3/2-8 suggests warmer sneaking back in but not even to the E coast. But afterward, the EW then suggest that that warming, itself, would also be temporary as per what I just posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GaWx Posted just now Share Posted just now 5 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Per what the EW have been showing this period (2/17-23) could end up the warmest week in the E 1/3 of the US overall, possibly even in the absolutes in some areas, til at least late March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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