bluewave Posted April 4, 2024 Author Share Posted April 4, 2024 2 hours ago, GaWx said: Today’s NAO is -2.00, which is the most negative of any day Feb 15th through April 7th for the years 1950-present. The old record for that period was -1.84. Also, there have been record daily -NAOs the last five days: https://ftp.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/cwlinks/norm.daily.nao.gefs.z500.120days.csv Highly amplified pattern with 3 separate 500 mb heights records. In addition to the 500 mb height record with the -NAO, record 500mb heights and surface high pressure were recorded west of Hawaii. Then the record low pressure for this time of year at 500 mb around Chicago. So it’s no wonder the pattern has been so wet. Looks like we reload again in about a week as the northern and southern streams attempt to phase. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 33 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: A snowstorm is raging in parts of northern New England. Snowfall amounts include: Bangor: 8.1" (old record: 6.0", 2007) Burlington: 8.8" (old record: 2.7", 2004) Concord: 6.7" Portland: 6.4" (tied record set in 1915) Worcester: 5.5" Following the damaging storm that brought sustained winds as high as 49 mph to the New York City area, sunshine returned and the temperature rose into the 50s. The next few days will feature readings in the 50s. After a cool first week of April, it will likely turn noticeably warmer during the second week of the month. New York City's Central Park remains on track to finish the 2023-2024 snow season with less than 10" of seasonal snowfall for a record second consecutive season. Records go back to 1869. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.0°C for the week centered around March 27. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.42°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +1.27°C. The ongoing basinwide El Niño event is fading. Neutral conditions could develop later in the spring. The SOI was -12.19 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.161 today. Don, Lee Goldberg showed a list of wind reports and the highest were up around 70 mph-- 68 mph at a few locations! and up to 4" of rain! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 1 minute ago, bluewave said: Highly amplified pattern with 3 separate 500 mb heights records. In addition to the 500 mb height record with the -NAO, record 500mb heights and surface high pressure were recorded west of Hawaii. Then the record low pressure for this time of year at 500 mb around Chicago. So it’s no wonder the pattern has been so wet. Looks like we reload again in about a week as the northern and southern streams attempt to phase. what happened to our warm April lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 2 hours ago, snowman19 said: It’s hard to believe that the last true drought emergency we had in the metro area was over 22 years ago (2002). The drought/wet cycles don’t normally run this long that was a wonderful summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 2 hours ago, Brian5671 said: yeah the drought I'm refering to in summer 2022 was more of a "flash drought" bone dry for about 3 months before the wet pattern returned-it was very dry though-lawns was toast and even some leaves on trees died...we had something like a half inch of rain in July which combined with the strong sun really dried things out that was one of my favorite summers of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 2 hours ago, BucksCO_PA said: For the Delaware River Basin we haven't had a true drought since 2002. By true drought I mean from a hydrological standpoint. The last drought warning / emergency ended in NOV 2002. The highest weekly drought severity indexes for the NE back to 12/2000 were during the 2002 drought peaking on 3/12/2002 with an index of 228. For a frame of reference the fall 2016 dry period peaked at 161, fall 2020 at 131 & the summer 2023 dry period topped off at 107. Since 2002 dry periods have been rare & when they happen they don't have a long shelf life. https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/DmData/DataTables.aspx wonderful memories of a great summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 8 minutes ago, Allsnow said: @bluewave At least back in 2011 we knew we were f***ed once that huge Bering Sea vortex showed up a few days after Thanksgiving. It became a semi-permanent feature that winter and the +EPO floodgates were wide open from the end of November right through the beginning of April 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted April 4, 2024 Author Share Posted April 4, 2024 58 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: what happened to our warm April lol If you want to see a warmer forecast actually verify cooler than forecast these days just amp up the moisture, clouds, and onshore flow. That was the only reason that the heat was muted so much last summer. We generally need very moist patterns these days in order to avoid record heat. EPS April 8-15 New run Old run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 All this rain with an extremely active hurricane season on the horizon...buckle up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted April 4, 2024 Author Share Posted April 4, 2024 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: that was a wonderful summer We would easily hit 110° if we ever got a repeat of a drought like the early 2000s in this much warmer climate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 look forward to another possible soaker late next week.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 41 minutes ago, bluewave said: We would easily hit 110° if we ever got a repeat of a drought like the early 2000s in this much warmer climate. unlikely with the ocean nearby 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 42 minutes ago, bluewave said: We would easily hit 110° if we ever got a repeat of a drought like the early 2000s in this much warmer climate. I don't take "droughts" in our part of the country very seriously, because we get way above normal rainfall every year. And 70 percent of the planet is covered by water. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsPens87 Posted April 4, 2024 Share Posted April 4, 2024 6 minutes ago, nycwinter said: unlikely with the ocean nearby Not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsPens87 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 26 minutes ago, nycwinter said: unlikely with the ocean nearby With a W or SW wind (the highest probability of major heat) how is the ocean to our E affecting that airmass? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 2 hours ago, JetsPens87 said: With a W or SW wind (the highest probability of major heat) how is the ocean to our E affecting that airmass? For NYC proper, they are close enough to the ocean for Seabreeze cooling effects. When land heats up, it rises. The "missing" air at the surface has to be replaced. If you are close enough to the ocean, cooler air along the surface will rush in. Morristown NJ may be far enough west not to be affected by an afternoon sea breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan76 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 SW wind is off the ocean for Staten island east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 12 minutes ago, Dark Star said: For NYC proper, they are close enough to the ocean for Seabreeze cooling effects. When land heats up, it rises. The "missing" air at the surface has to be replaced. If you are close enough to the ocean, cooler air along the surface will rush in. Morristown NJ may be far enough west not to be affected by an afternoon sea breeze. With a W/NW down sloping wind the coast is warmer than inland. Happens all the time…with a decent westerly the sea breeze isn’t a factor…in these setups JFK and LI go 100+. i believe one of the barrier islands hit 108 on an offshore flow about 15 years ago. @bluewavecan confirm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan76 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 5 minutes ago, psv88 said: With a W/NW down sloping wind the coast is warmer than inland. Happens all the time…with a decent westerly the sea breeze isn’t a factor…in these setups JFK and LI go 100+. i believe one of the barrier islands hit 108 on an offshore flow about 15 years ago. @bluewavecan confirm When was the last time you cracked 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, Dan76 said: When was the last time you cracked 100. I want to say 2010 or so was when we had that blast of 100+ where Gilgo beach hit 108. Point remains, an offshore flow negates the impact of the ocean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 Picked up 0.30" of rain for the day. Final storm total 3.34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 6 hours ago, LibertyBell said: wonderful memories of a great summer You do know you need to see somebody about this heat fetish thing right ? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 9 hours ago, nycwinter said: look forward to another possible soaker late next week.... I like cool and rainy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted April 5, 2024 Author Share Posted April 5, 2024 11 hours ago, nycwinter said: unlikely with the ocean nearby Multiple stations hit 108° during a drier pattern in 2010 and 2011 which wasn’t nearly as dry as the spring of 2002 was. So we could easily beat that in this much warmer climate if we got into a summer drought with westerly winds. But since we have become so wet with more onshore flow, it hasn’t happened yet. All it took was a brief flash drought in October 2019 to set all time highs by several degrees for the month. Plus we had our first 80° during winter in 2018. So we have been lucky to an extent during the summer that the big highs have been elongated more east of New England instead of flatter into the Carolina’s or Tennessee Valley. When you look at what happened around the Pacific NW a few summers ago it shows how lucky we have been. Just add 2-3° to the 2010-2011 maxes and you see potentially what a drought could do here in the summer. Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2011Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. State Name Station Type Highest Max Temperature NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 108 NY MINEOLA COOP 108 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 107 NJ HARRISON COOP 107 NY WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK COOP 107 October 2019 and February 2018 records were 3-4°warmer than previous records Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of OctClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2019 96 0 2 1941 93 0 3 1949 92 0 4 1959 91 0 5 1939 90 0 - 1938 90 0 Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of FebClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2018 80 0 2 1949 76 0 3 2017 74 0 - 1997 74 0 - 1954 74 0 6 1985 73 0 Seattle surpassed previous summer record by 5° in the much warmer 2020s. Time Series Summary for Seattle Tacoma Area, WA (ThreadEx) - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2021 108 0 2 2009 103 0 3 1994 100 0 4 1991 99 0 - 1981 99 0 - 1960 99 0 5 2020 98 0 - 2007 98 0 - 1988 98 0 - 1979 98 0 - 1967 98 0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsPens87 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 9 hours ago, Dark Star said: For NYC proper, they are close enough to the ocean for Seabreeze cooling effects. When land heats up, it rises. The "missing" air at the surface has to be replaced. If you are close enough to the ocean, cooler air along the surface will rush in. Morristown NJ may be far enough west not to be affected by an afternoon sea breeze. Yea I understand the sea breeze. But that is largely overcome on that heat island in July at peak heat climo. It is a non factor once off the boardwalk anywhere else at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsPens87 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 33 minutes ago, bluewave said: Multiple stations hit 108° during a drier pattern in 2010 and 2011 which wasn’t nearly as dry as the spring of 2002 was. So we could easily beat that in this much warmer climate if we got into a summer drought with westerly winds. But since we have become so wet with more onshore flow, it hasn’t happened yet. All it took was a brief flash drought in October 2019 to set all time highs by several degrees for the month. Plus we had our first 80° during winter in 2018. So we have been lucky to an extent during the summer that the big highs have been elongated more east of New England instead of flatter into the Carolina’s or Tennessee Valley. When you look at what happened around the Pacific NW a few summers ago it shows how lucky we have been. Just add 2-3° to the 2010-2011 maxes and you see potentially what a drought could do here in the summer. Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2011Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. State Name Station Type Highest Max Temperature NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 108 NY MINEOLA COOP 108 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 107 NJ HARRISON COOP 107 NY WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK COOP 107 October 2019 and February 2018 records were 3-4°warmer than previous records Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of OctClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2019 96 0 2 1941 93 0 3 1949 92 0 4 1959 91 0 5 1939 90 0 - 1938 90 0 Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of FebClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2018 80 0 2 1949 76 0 3 2017 74 0 - 1997 74 0 - 1954 74 0 6 1985 73 0 Seattle surpassed previous summer record by 5° in the much warmer 2020s. Time Series Summary for Seattle Tacoma Area, WA (ThreadEx) - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2021 108 0 2 2009 103 0 3 1994 100 0 4 1991 99 0 - 1981 99 0 - 1960 99 0 5 2020 98 0 - 2007 98 0 - 1988 98 0 - 1979 98 0 - 1967 98 0 @MJO812 @Dan76 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 @bluewave 2010 was probably the hottest summer I experienced in my lifetime. The heat combined with the humidity made it feel like a tropical island. If we ever get that type heat again all time records would be established. 76 on Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 Sunnier than expected late yesterday and into today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted April 5, 2024 Share Posted April 5, 2024 Anchorage is approaching their record seasonal snow of 134 inches (129 to date) that's another stat that tells you we had a ratter winter....AK always does well when we torch all winter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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