MJO812 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: The EC is upper 60's and low 70's on Christmas. It's the extreme high but the CMC and GFS and 60's. Crazy. Awful pattern with the big trough in the west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Awful pattern with the big trough in the west Yep, the whole EC is a forgettable run for all of us on the East Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Awful pattern with the big trough in the west We need that Alaska vortex to relocate SE off west coast as it is the traffic cop for pac influence and would promote ridging out west pushing trough further east. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Bubbler86 said: Yep, the whole EC is a forgettable run for all of us on the East Coast. Not a good look. Wondering In my mind that could be a reflection of MJO diving in 7 twds COD. Gotta hope the AO NAO couplet can save us (and I think they can). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, pasnownut said: We need that Alaska vortex to relocate SE off west coast as it is the traffic cop for pac influence and would promote ridging out west pushing trough further east. The mjo might be messing up the models. It's currently stuck in 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: 384 so....LOL. But I agree with your sentiment I think. No slam dunk winter weather for a bit. Models are insistent on not allowing the Southern Stream system, late next week, to get tugged up. On the plus side, lots of people travelling so decent weather is good for them. Yeah, I know it's 384...but I was moreso referencing seeing that warmth during what many are saying is our solid winter pattern starting around New Year's. Getting pushed back again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, TugHillMatt said: Yeah, I know it's 384...but I was moreso referencing seeing that warmth during what many are saying is our solid winter pattern starting around New Year's. Getting pushed back again? It’d be a LOT easier not to fret over stuff like this if there had been anything remotely resembling winter in the days and weeks leading up to it. That’s ultimately the issue here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, TimB84 said: It’d be a LOT easier not to fret over stuff like this if there had been anything remotely resembling winter in the days and weeks leading up to it. That’s ultimately the issue here. Seasonal temps here this week right near average in the low to mid 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, MJO812 said: The mjo might be messing up the models. It's currently stuck in 7. Phase 7 is good in late December and January in a La Niña. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, TimB84 said: It’d be a LOT easier not to fret over stuff like this if there had been anything remotely resembling winter in the days and weeks leading up to it. That’s ultimately the issue here. Yes! The tone across ALL of the subforums here is frustration and disappointment with this (what feels like) never-ending crap regine we've found ourselves in...and the fact that we all have memories of this from Winters as of late. (Many of you in PA did alright compared to average last winter...but not up here.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Seasonal temps here this week right near average in the low to mid 40s. I don’t mean a pattern where the warm parts are 10-20 degrees above normal and the cold parts are merely seasonal, without even the threat of an advisory level snowfall or even an inch or two for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Phase 7 is good in late December and January in a La Niña. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Yeah, I know it's 384...but I was moreso referencing seeing that warmth during what many are saying is our solid winter pattern starting around New Year's. Getting pushed back again? Just based on today, there is no solid winter pattern this year. But we are still early so we shake off the late Dec disappointment and move on. Still need to watch late next week especially SE areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, TimB84 said: It’d be a LOT easier not to fret over stuff like this if there had been anything remotely resembling winter in the days and weeks leading up to it. That’s ultimately the issue here. Some will say we blew our load in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Patience is needed. We are still in good shape heading into early January. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I will be at my parents in Danville the entire week between Christmas and New Year's, so hoping there is something wintry in the state to discuss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Patience is needed. We are still in good shape heading into early January. No one is punting winter :-). We are all on the same team. Edit-Well @Voyager maybe not. LOL 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Was the 09-10 Winter a bad Winter in CTP? We only had 4 events…. It was one of the best Winter’s over the last few decades. We had 1 good storm around December 20th that brought around 10 inches of snow. Then we had almost nothing until the blockbuster February week of 2 great storms around the 5th & 10th. Then back here we got a glancing blow later in February from the “snowicane” that gave Harrisburg around 6 inches of snow. Of course No one is expecting a repeat of that year. My point is that we have plenty of time to score at least 4 good Winter events. Patience is a difficult thing to manage… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: No one is punting winter :-). We are all on the same team. Edit-Well @Voyager maybe not. LOL Lol…Hey now…I made no punting mention recently… Team snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Lol…Hey now…I made no punting mention recently… Team snow! LOL, you are the LAST person who punts winter. You are chasing snow flakes in May. No one is punting winter meaning not even the heat misers. It's still early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Bubbler86 said: LOL, you are the LAST person who punts winter. You are chasing snow flakes in May. No one is punting winter meaning not even the heat misers. It's still early. Thanks, #nevergiveup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I was recently thinking of our “good” Winters. There is usually a lot of waiting and down time between good periods even in the good Winters. How about the Winter of 14-15? We had a snowstorm right before Thanksgiving. Then we had almost nothing until around January 20th. The good pattern then locked in from late January until mid-March. We ended up about 10 inches of snow above normal for the season. Patience was rewarded that year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: No one is punting winter :-). We are all on the same team. Edit-Well @Voyager maybe not. LOL The Upstate NY crew is. We've been burned so many times the past several years relative to average... we're even in discussion of how we are the new Mid-Atlantic. Lol When you average 30 inches of snow each month of the winter, and many months as of recent have consisted of dustings...it makes it seem worse than D..C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Patience is needed. We are still in good shape heading into early January. We live in an instant gratification culture. Patience is becoming a lost character trait. People, through technology are used to getting things immediately. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Itstrainingtime said: We live in an instant gratification culture. Patience is becoming a lost character trait. People, through technology are used to getting things immediately. This is a great point! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: We live in an instant gratification culture. Patience is becoming a lost character trait. People, through technology are used to getting things immediately. Truer words have never been spoken. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: The Upstate NY crew is. We've been burned so many times the past several years relative to average... we're even in discussion of how we are the new Mid-Atlantic. Lol When you average 30 inches of snow each month of the winter, and many months as of recent have consisted of dustings...it makes it seem worse than D..C. Yea, I imagine people North East of us are getting very impatient. If we are the new Atlanta you are indeed the new MA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: We live in an instant gratification culture. Patience is becoming a lost character trait. People, through technology are used to getting things immediately. Why didn't you post this hours ago! I was waiting! :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: We live in an instant gratification culture. Patience is becoming a lost character trait. People, through technology are used to getting things immediately. Great point. This why, in terms of weather, I posted a couple of reminders of how long we had to wait for snow even in very good or great Winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Great point. This why, in terms of weather, I posted a couple of reminders of how long we had to wait for snow even in very good or great Winters. When it comes to snow, there are a good many reasons why it's very hard to be patient. My take is that to you, snow is snow is snow. December...March...June. You'll take whatever, whenever, and there are no "rules" to it. That's awesome! Having said that. there are people that truly love snow, but not to the unlimited extent that you do. Snow in March to me is not the same as it is in late December. Sure, I love 14" on March 15th, but that comes with the knowledge that I'm going to lose most, if not all of it in the next 48 hours. (most likely) Then, there's the "what have you done for me lately" mentality of suffering through promised weather pattern changes that never materialize. So patience becomes hard...how many times am I going to get burned before I choose a different response? Patience is warranted but there are reasons specific to snow that make it less than a cut and dry situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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