Fall Banter

[forkyfork]

a northern parula and a ruby crowned kinglet feeding from sapsucker wells

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Will - Rutgers said:

i wonder if the lanternfly problem might eventually be self-limited by the amount of damage they're doing to their principal host tree, the tree of heaven.  many of the trees of heaven that i have observed infested with lanternflies look very stressed.

there's a big spider invasion going on to our south,  I hope they dont make it up here but one guy burned his own house down in an effort to kill them

 

[rclab]

2 hours ago, Will - Rutgers said:

i wonder if the lanternfly problem might eventually be self-limited by the amount of damage they're doing to their principal host tree, the tree of heaven.  many of the trees of heaven that i have observed infested with lanternflies look very stressed.

 

22 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

there's a big spider invasion going on to our south,  I hope they dont make it up here but one guy burned his own house down in an effort to kill them

 

Good evening Will, Liberty. I’m a bit concerned, Liberty. Either your reporting the news, tongue firmly planted in cheek, or your channeling Edward Davis Wood Jr. As always ….

[LibertyBell]

31 minutes ago, rclab said:

 

Good evening Will, Liberty. I’m a bit concerned, Liberty. Either your reporting the news, tongue firmly planted in cheek, or your channeling Edward Davis Wood Jr. As always ….

they are large and scary

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/joro-spiders-out-in-force-across-north-georgia/RHJSJLJGU5FXDJRVCJ4BIXN4T4/

 

 

Millions of creepy, palm-sized spiders have been spotted across North Georgia and won’t leave anytime soon, according to scientists.

 

The East Asia native spider, the Joro, was first identified in the state in 2014 by Rick Hoebeke, Georgia Museum of Natural History collections manager, the Athens Banner-Herald reported.

[LibertyBell]

No, one guy actually did burn his house down trying to get them out of his house lol

 

[etudiant]

13 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Since most of the people down there own guns cant they just shoot them all with their AK47s?

 

Trouble is that the spiders are actually pretty small and really hard to hit.

An AK-47 is entirely the wrong tool, a shotgun with a minimal charge and using dust shot would be better, but the cleanup would be wicked.

I say just learn to live with them, they will suppress the other creepy crawlies that usually are the norm south of the Mason Dixon line.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, etudiant said:

Trouble is that the spiders are actually pretty small and really hard to hit.

An AK-47 is entirely the wrong tool, a shotgun with a minimal charge and using dust shot would be better, but the cleanup would be wicked.

I say just learn to live with them, they will suppress the other creepy crawlies that usually are the norm south of the Mason Dixon line.

Yeah they'll get rid of the mosquitoes, but it's a horror show to have them in your house.

I sleep with my bedroom lights on as it is.  And if I see something crawling on my walls I can't sleep at all.

I have read that some of these critters can actually get inside your mouth or ears and lay eggs in there?

If these things are coming from exotic countries why can't we just ban products from those countries until they control these pests themselves and keep them from coming here?

 

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Will - Rutgers said:

the Joro spider is beautiful.  more or less just a cousin spider to other native golden orb weavers.  probably not the worst invasive species we could be hit with.

we could get the wandering spider which sometimes gets in via banana imports.  Really dont want those

Those can stand up on two legs and chase people around and have the most painful bite of any spider

 

[rclab]

11 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

they are large and scary

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/joro-spiders-out-in-force-across-north-georgia/RHJSJLJGU5FXDJRVCJ4BIXN4T4/

 

 

Millions of creepy, palm-sized spiders have been spotted across North Georgia and won’t leave anytime soon, according to scientists.

 

The East Asia native spider, the Joro, was first identified in the state in 2014 by Rick Hoebeke, Georgia Museum of Natural History collections manager, the Athens Banner-Herald reported.

Good morning Liberty. Thank you for the ‘ I’ll never doubt you again’ article.’ I read it and find the lack of environmental concern interesting. Hopefully, long term, this species blends into the area and helps cull some of the malevolent critters in the insect population. As always ….

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, rclab said:

Good morning Liberty. Thank you for the ‘ I’ll never doubt you again’ article.’ I read it and find the lack of environmental concern interesting. Hopefully, long term, this species blends into the area and helps cull some of the malevolent critters in the insect population. As always ….

All I can say is I would never live there.

[etudiant]

11 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah they'll get rid of the mosquitoes, but it's a horror show to have them in your house.

I sleep with my bedroom lights on as it is.  And if I see something crawling on my walls I can't sleep at all.

I have read that some of these critters can actually get inside your mouth or ears and lay eggs in there?

If these things are coming from exotic countries why can't we just ban products from those countries until they control these pests themselves and keep them from coming here?

 

Spiders are usually pretty protective of their eggs, you may have seen them lugging their egg sack around, so think that your mouth is safe.

That said, exotic pests get free global transportation courtesy of world trade. The early examples of Dutch elm disease and Chestnut blight were not sufficient to cause us to reconsider the wisdom of a one world approach. Instead, the process is accelerating, think Spotted Lantern Fly, Emerald Ash Borer and Asian Long Horned Beetle just in the past few years.

[dWave]

On 10/4/2021 at 6:14 PM, Rjay said:

If you just go with AN temps and AN snow every year it'd be a decent forecast for our sub. 

I wonder if that is becoming a permanent feature in our climate or is this a period of transition before snowfall start falling to match our warming temps. Like DC for example where the snowfall avgs have been plummeting, matching warming temps. It might as well be ATL there now.  For now I think having more favorable storm tracks and more precip overall continue to overcome the warmth, but for how long?

[rclab]

20 minutes ago, dWave said:

I wonder if that is becoming a permanent feature in our climate or is this a period of transition before snowfall start falling to match our warming temps. Like DC for example where the snowfall avgs have been plummeting, matching warming temps. It might as well be ATL there now.  For now I think having more favorable storm tracks and more precip overall continue to overcome the warmth, but for how long?

Good morning dW. I remember, as a kid in the 50’s, listening to the news and hearing the commentator refer to a legislative time table in DC. He said the hope is that it would be wrapped up by Nov 15th, the time the first snow flys. That always stuck with me, growing up, as that or an earlier date for such an event became rare even considerably north of the Capital area. As always ….

 

 

[SnoSki14]

1 hour ago, dWave said:

I wonder if that is becoming a permanent feature in our climate or is this a period of transition before snowfall start falling to match our warming temps. Like DC for example where the snowfall avgs have been plummeting, matching warming temps. It might as well be ATL there now.  For now I think having more favorable storm tracks and more precip overall continue to overcome the warmth, but for how long?

Probably a couple decades or so unless warming really speeds up. 

A much more pessimistic scenario would be by 2030 unless we see a massive reduction in emissions by then (very doubtful). 

[forkyfork]

lanternfly shit is raining down from the trees. it's getting so disgusting 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

3 hours ago, forkyfork said:

lanternfly shit is raining down from the trees. it's getting so disgusting 

That’s insane. They are just getting into the city. I did an invasive species tour in morning side park last Friday for students and we killed as many as we could find in the tree of heaven. There were maybe 10 per tree. 

[Brian5671]

Just now, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

That’s insane. They are just getting into the city. I did an invasive species tour in morning side park last Friday for students and we killed as many as we could find in the tree of heaven. There were maybe 10 per tree. 

only a matter of time before they are everywhere....

[forkyfork]

On 10/6/2021 at 5:55 PM, Will - Rutgers said:

i wonder if the lanternfly problem might eventually be self-limited by the amount of damage they're doing to their principal host tree, the tree of heaven.  many of the trees of heaven that i have observed infested with lanternflies look very stressed.

you might be on to something. it took 5 years to get to this point though:

https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-nws-spotted-lanternflies-missing-20211005-et63t7utlja5xj3hthvcu7l7wu-story.html

Additionally, he said, some of the trees of heaven that were missed were found dead, possibly because spotted lanternflies ate them to death.

 

[etudiant]

54 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

you might be on to something. it took 5 years to get to this point though:

https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-nws-spotted-lanternflies-missing-20211005-et63t7utlja5xj3hthvcu7l7wu-story.html

Additionally, he said, some of the trees of heaven that were missed were found dead, possibly because spotted lanternflies ate them to death.

 

That is exactly what the US govt researchers fear, that once the preferred prey species has become too scarce, the Lanternflies become less choosy.

There is no impediment to them sucking the lifeblood from other trees, just habit, which hunger will modify.

[LibertyBell]

17 hours ago, dWave said:

I wonder if that is becoming a permanent feature in our climate or is this a period of transition before snowfall start falling to match our warming temps. Like DC for example where the snowfall avgs have been plummeting, matching warming temps. It might as well be ATL there now.  For now I think having more favorable storm tracks and more precip overall continue to overcome the warmth, but for how long?

our higher snowfall totals and larger storms are direct results of more juiced up systems plus a storm track that used to be further south and hitting DC now hitting us.  I distinctly remember a large number of storms back in the 80s that would hit DC with snow and spare us- these often happened in January.  Now we get some of our biggest snows in January, this was not the case before, January used to be colder and drier even during our snowless 80s winters.

 

[LibertyBell]

6 hours ago, etudiant said:

That is exactly what the US govt researchers fear, that once the preferred prey species has become too scarce, the Lanternflies become less choosy.

There is no impediment to them sucking the lifeblood from other trees, just habit, which hunger will modify.

whats the reluctance with killing these things with pesticides? I dont care, fly crop dusters over us for all I care and tell people to stay inside

 

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, forkyfork said:

you might be on to something. it took 5 years to get to this point though:

https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-nws-spotted-lanternflies-missing-20211005-et63t7utlja5xj3hthvcu7l7wu-story.html

Additionally, he said, some of the trees of heaven that were missed were found dead, possibly because spotted lanternflies ate them to death.

 

why dont we just chop these trees down and make the bugs starve to death?

 

[LibertyBell]

8 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

That’s insane. They are just getting into the city. I did an invasive species tour in morning side park last Friday for students and we killed as many as we could find in the tree of heaven. There were maybe 10 per tree. 

either douse the entire area with pesticides or chop the trees down and make the bugs starve.  we need to do one or the other

 

[Rjay]

@Stormlover74

Ta'Quan Roberson 

[coastalplainsnowman]

Hey just wondering, are the leaves ever going to start to change on LI this year?  I’m sure it’s delayed due to warmth and maybe muted due to warm and dry?  This is insane.  Still looks like August except a little bit on zalcovas and some others which always change first.

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said:

Hey just wondering, are the leaves ever going to start to change on LI this year?  I’m sure it’s delayed due to warmth and maybe muted due to warm and dry?  This is insane.  Still looks like August except a little bit on zalcovas and some others which always change first.

November most likely....around the time of the NYC Marathon so the timing is pretty good there.

 

[Rjay]

 

 

 

[forkyfork]

it's all about who gets the 40" jackpot band

[Rjay]

3 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

it's all about who gets the 40" jackpot band

It's about being +3 and still managing 50"+ region-wide

[forkyfork]

19 minutes ago, Rjay said:

It's about being +3 and still managing 50"+ region-wide

remember clippers