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Upstate/Eastern New York- Meteorological Fall


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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Sunny and mid 60s is perfect fall weather. Will definitely get the leafs changing quick. We have very little color change so far here. 

Just noticed some colors starting to pop here.

 

In just a few weeks, we'll be talking flurries and graupel showers! (Hopefully!) lol

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13 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Thanks, looks they re-calibrated just in case. In the end its hard to compare recreational stations vs professionally managed stations that are constantly monitored by meteorologists. You take KBUFs reading over the rest and it matches up well against other stations besides ROC. But in fall we all know Lake Erie keeps us way warmer than nearly every other major reporting station around here. ROC doesn't have a 75 degree lake 10 miles away that has a consistent W/SW breeze. Overnight lows are much warmer around here in the fall. 

I don't know... it just never looks right... Here is the 10 pm live reporting (KBUF updated 4 minutes prior to this grab at 958, all stations reported temps at 954pm ).  It's just not right that KBUF is running almost 5 degrees above every other location surrounding it.  You can question the recreational PWS data but look at how consistent the sites are across central Erie County.  The KBUF number is just such an outlier it should be tossed from the data set, not made the official #.  Even caught one of the local Spectrum News mets questioning the temp at KBUF on air tonight.  We have believers!693770546_9-28958pmwide.png.99466e5fa5817f4b85ee116aa9464442.png

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Ok…tonight’s the night!!! Clear skies, perfect radiation all cooling and at 10:15 it’s 55 at KBUF and 46 at UB North, a mesonet site, not an off brand thermometer. The winds are out of the NW at 3 so almost calm. IF the temps are radically different at KBUF tonight than around it’s nearby sites, then we have a clearer picture of the outside variables at work. 

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Just now, Thinksnow18 said:

Ok…tonight’s the night!!! Clear skies, perfect radiation all cooling and at 10:15 it’s 55 at KBUF and 46 at UB North, a mesonet site, not an off brand thermometer. The winds are out of the NW at 3 so almost calm. IF the temps are radically different at KBUF tonight than around it’s nearby sites, then we have a clearer picture of the outside variables at work. 

Great minds think alike!  Posted that $#!& at the SAME TIME!  lol

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4 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

Great minds think alike!  Posted that $#!& at the SAME TIME!  lol

I’m firmly in the belief that the night time temps are most affected by this with the exception of very hot days…last years 97 and 98 ring a bell? This could change the daily average to almost being normal instead of the positive departure we have witnessed. This may not seem it but this is important.

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11 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

I don't know... it just never looks right... Here is the 10 pm live reporting (KBUF updated 4 minutes prior to this grab at 958, all stations reported temps at 954pm ).  It's just not right that KBUF is running almost 5 degrees above every other location surrounding it.  You can question the recreational PWS data but look at how consistent the sites are across central Erie County.  The KBUF number is just such an outlier it should be tossed from the data set, not made the official #.  Even caught one of the local Spectrum News mets questioning the temp at KBUF on air tonight.  We have believers!693770546_9-28958pmwide.png.99466e5fa5817f4b85ee116aa9464442.png

what time were these all recorded?

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1 minute ago, Thinksnow18 said:

I’m firmly in the belief that the night time temps are most affected by this with the exception of very hot days…last years 97 and 98 ring a bell? This could change the daily average to almost being normal instead of the positive departure we have witnessed. This may not seem it but this is important.

last years was confirmed to have an issue but KBUF replaced the broken part. This years data is fine. SYR is equal to KBUF with temps this year and they have no lake keeping them warm.

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

what time were these all recorded?

Ive got this timing down to eliminate any questions about lagging temps...

PWS update ever 5 minutes at 4's and 9's... 4, 9, 14, 19, 24, 29 ect...

KBUF updates at 54 minutes of every hour.

Both PWS and KBUF will update ever hour together at the 54 minute mark.  Set your site map over KBUF at 958 hit refresh and you will have a grab of all current temps within 5 minutes of each other, before the next update at 959.

For this screen grab I took it at 958pm.  KBUF temp and all surrounding PWS temps were updated at 954pm.

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8 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

last years was confirmed to have an issue but KBUF replaced the broken part. This years data is fine. SYR is equal to KBUF with temps this year and they have no lake keeping them warm.

BW there’s one issue with tonight…the make us nowhere near keeping the area 10 miles from it warmer than GI, UB North and all the surrounding sites! There is a much larger driver affecting the KBUF temp.

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35 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

Ive got this timing down to eliminate any questions about lagging temps...

PWS update ever 5 minutes at 4's and 9's... 4, 9, 14, 19, 24, 29 ect...

KBUF updates at 54 minutes of every hour.

Both PWS and KBUF will update ever hour together at the 54 minute mark.  Set your site map over KBUF at 958 hit refresh and you will have a grab of all current temps within 5 minutes of each other, before the next update at 959.

For this screen grab I took it at 958pm.  KBUF temp and all surrounding PWS temps were updated at 954pm.

Where do you see that the PWS stations update at those times? Most of North Buffalo is in the low/mid 50s right now.

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11 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

I don't know... it just never looks right... Here is the 10 pm live reporting (KBUF updated 4 minutes prior to this grab at 958, all stations reported temps at 954pm ).  It's just not right that KBUF is running almost 5 degrees above every other location surrounding it.  You can question the recreational PWS data but look at how consistent the sites are across central Erie County.  The KBUF number is just such an outlier it should be tossed from the data set, not made the official #.  Even caught one of the local Spectrum News mets questioning the temp at KBUF on air tonight.  We have believers!693770546_9-28958pmwide.png.99466e5fa5817f4b85ee116aa9464442.png

Good point about "recreational" temp data versus "official" in terms of temps.  We'd all clearly accept the official station data over other sources but...it doesn't seem credible that they're ALL wrong and biased in the same direction on a consistent basis.  Definately something going on.

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