donsutherland1 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 The passage of Tropical Storm Fay brought a swath of 2”-4” rain with some locally higher amounts. Some totals: Allentown: 1.92” Atlantic City: 3.24” New York City: ...JFK: 2.33” (old daily record: 0.86”, 1969) ...LGA: 2.45” ...NYC: 2.54” (old daily record: 1.94”, 1874) Newark: 2.78” (old daily record: 1.96”, 1950) Philadelphia: 4.15” (old daily record: 2.99”, 1931) Wilmington, DE: 2.76” (old daily record: 1.95”, 1917) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, lee59 said: The only problem with that is there is a big difference between maximum gusts and sustained winds. Look I don't want to sound like I didn't think it was a good storm or that I don't trust the NHC. I just think they are pretty liberal in naming storms these days compared to the past. There is no doubt in my mind that the NHC, when it comes to tracking these storms, has improved dramatically over years ago. It's been stated by a few experts that the winds projected near the center of these systems are hardly ever experienced on land. The usual difference between what's projected and what's actually experienced is about 15% (on average). That also happens to be the average difference between sustained winds and gusts. Looking around, the highest sustained winds experienced on land happen to be around 45 mph. That's close enough to the 15% figure. Also, please recall that the 60 mph sustained winds were projected while the center was still over water- about 25-30 miles offshore. It's actual landfall intensity was 50 mph. So I dont believe there was much of a discrepancy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: The passage of Tropical Storm Fay brought a swath of 2”-4” rain with some locally higher amounts. Some totals: Allentown: 1.92” Atlantic City: 3.24” New York City: ...JFK: 2.33” (old daily record: 0.86”, 1969) ...LGA: 2.45” ...NYC: 2.54” (old daily record: 1.94”, 1874) Newark: 2.78” (old daily record: 1.96”, 1950) Philadelphia: 4.15” (old daily record: 2.99”, 1931) Wilmington, DE: 2.76” (old daily record: 1.95”, 1917) It kept raining most of the night here, Don, it was actually amazing with all the fireflies out Do you happen to have any figures for MPO? I've been on vacation about halfway between ABE and MPO, coming back tomorrow! It rained all night in NE PA and there were flood warnings all over the area. Based on the rainfall maps Walt posted, looks like I got the same 2.00-2.50 here that I got back at home in Nassau County! Was the maximum official wind gust in our area the 45 mph at JFK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgerb Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Animal said: 1.3 final...maybe rain was harder locally etc How bizarre. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Animal said: Saw philly airport over 4 inches! I looked through Walt's numbers and basically from Delaware through SE PA and Southern and South Central NJ up to Ocean County the totals were between 4-7" with the 7" amounts towards the southern end in Delaware. From Monmouth County north to encompass most of the area east to Nassau County the totals were between 2" to 4" with the 4" extreme end confined to the southern part of the area in Monmouth County. Most of our area saw between 2"-3" except for our friends in Suffolk County who sadly only got 0.1-0.5". I didn't see CT numbers but I expect they were also on the lower end, but not as low as Suffolk County, maybe more like 1-2", like around where the lower Hudson Valley ended up. Thanks to that stream of precip that kept going all night in NW areas, my location here in NE PA had around the same 2.50" I got back home in SW Nassau County! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, lee59 said: 47 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It kept raining most of the night here, Don, it was actually amazing with all the fireflies out Do you happen to have any figures for MPO? I've been on vacation about halfway between ABE and MPO, coming back tomorrow! It rained all night in NE PA and there were flood warnings all over the area. Based on the rainfall maps Walt posted, looks like I got the same 2.00-2.50 here that I got back at home in Nassau County! Was the maximum official wind gust in our area the 45 mph at JFK? The highest was a 52mph at a place called St. George, I will assume it is on the water in Suffolk. Other than that Kennedy and Gilgo Beach had gusts to 46mph. The highest sustained was a few in the upper 30s but most in the 20s to around 30. The national weather service has it listed. The rain in Nassau County was generally 1-2 inches, more west and less east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, lee59 said: The highest was a 52mph at a place called St. George, I will assume it is on the water in Suffolk. Other than that Kennedy and Gilgo Beach had gusts to 46mph. The highest sustained was a few in the upper 30s but most in the 20s to around 30. The national weather service has it listed. Thanks- I think St George might be in Staten Island? The name sounds familiar- I've seen it before. The highest winds were on the central and southern NJ coast where there were reports of 57 mph gusts (one in southern Monmouth County and another one in southern NJ near Cape May I think.) On Long Island I think those two 46 mph gusts were the two highest reports, although I saw DMillz mention that he had a 55 mph gust? I dont see that mentioned in any report though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks- I think St George might be in Staten Island? The name sounds familiar- I've seen it before. The highest winds were on the central and southern NJ coast where there were reports of 57 mph gusts (one in southern Monmouth County and another one in southern NJ near Cape May I think.) On Long Island I think those two 46 mph gusts were the two highest reports, although I saw DMillz mention that he had a 55 mph gust? I dont see that mentioned in any report though. I looked it up and St. George is in Staten Island on the water, so that gusts makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1.1 storm total, 1.6 for 7 days. While it has been damp here for over a week it's not really that wet, wet enough for plants to flop over in the garden though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 49 mph gust at Bridgeport.....is this legit? if so it's the highest wind gust reported at one of our local area official reporting stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: 49 mph gust at Bridgeport.....is this legit? if so it's the highest wind gust reported at one of our local area official reporting stations. I'm 5 miles from there-yeah legit-you could hear it roaring over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I'm 5 miles from there-yeah legit-you could hear it roaring over night. what time did you have your highest winds? It was really windy up here all night I could hear stuff being blown around in my yard most of the night and knocking into stuff (I fell asleep around 2 am and it was still going on even then!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Fwiw TWC stated this AM that Greenwich also had 49mph wind gust yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, LoboLeader1 said: Fwiw TWC stated this AM that Greenwich also had 49mph wind gust yesterday. Yes that is in the National Weather Service report. https://nwschat.weather.gov/p.php?pid=202007110126-KOKX-NOUS41-PNSOKX Here are rain totals: https://nwschat.weather.gov/p.php?pid=202007102343-KOKX-NOUS41-PNSOKX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 Good observations noted in these pages. I like the Suffolk-BOS and relating Sandy-Fay. I add this but kind of late... New England qpf assessment. No sure if there is a plot somewhere of all our forum area (observed)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 All I can find for the N.J. observations (MT. Holly) is peak wind gusts of Trenton 33, Philly 42, Georgetown Delaware 43 and Atlantic City 44mph. also Reading Pa. 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anemone Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Is that the center of Fay over the Pennsylvania, NY border heading east? Last I checked the center was moving north through the city. Or is that a different system that absorbed Fay's energy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, LibertyBell said: It kept raining most of the night here, Don, it was actually amazing with all the fireflies out Do you happen to have any figures for MPO? I've been on vacation about halfway between ABE and MPO, coming back tomorrow! It rained all night in NE PA and there were flood warnings all over the area. Based on the rainfall maps Walt posted, looks like I got the same 2.00-2.50 here that I got back at home in Nassau County! Was the maximum official wind gust in our area the 45 mph at JFK? 2.71” at MPO. Bridgeport reported a 49 mph gust. I suspect that there were probably a few 50 mph gusts on the South Shore of Long Island, but one might not know for sure unless there is an updated PNS or when the NHC issues it’s end-of-season report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: 2.71” at MPO. Bridgeport reported a 49 mph gust. I suspect that there were probably a few 50 mph gusts on the South Shore of Long Island, but one might not know for sure unless there is an updated PNS or when the NHC issues it’s end-of-season report. I listed what the NWS posted, above. I believe it is unofficial. Doesn't look like to many if any 50 plus happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, anemone said: Is that the center of Fay over the Pennsylvania, NY border heading east? Last I checked the center was moving north through the city. Or is that a different system that absorbed Fay's energy? What is left of Fay is up in Canada. That is a different system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, lee59 said: I listed what the NWS posted, above. I believe it is unofficial. Doesn't look like to many if any 50 plus happened. Yes. That’s why we may need to wait for the final reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks- I think St George might be in Staten Island? The name sounds familiar- I've seen it before. The highest winds were on the central and southern NJ coast where there were reports of 57 mph gusts (one in southern Monmouth County and another one in southern NJ near Cape May I think.) On Long Island I think those two 46 mph gusts were the two highest reports, although I saw DMillz mention that he had a 55 mph gust? I dont see that mentioned in any report though. Yeah, that 52 mph gust was just to the NE of St George at the Robbins Reef Lighthouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 22 hours ago, purduewx80 said: hey look, a couple of internet dweebs questioning globally-recognized scientists on a weather forum. That's fine. I've always respected your input and expertise....Cantore agreed off script on national TV but I guess I hes an internet dweeb too. I wasn't at all trying to downplay the system, but it really wasnt all that tropical in my internet dweeb opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 12 hours ago, LibertyBell said: If you noticed the rainfall and wind patterns with Sandy, there were some similarities with Fay (on a much smaller scale.) Like you said, because of its much smaller size, there wasn't a surge component, but we knew that wasn't going to happen from the beginning. As far as rainfall and wind, the similar tracks the two shared (going into Atlantic City) placed the heaviest rainfall in Delaware in both cases and in both cases the effects were strongest from Nassau County westward. Fay produced about half the rainfall and half the winds that Sandy had (which means in reality it was only 1/4 as strong, and that's before accounting for its much smaller size.) Neither Sandy nor Fay produced as much tropical storm effects from Suffolk County northeastward. I've always maintained that Suffolk County has much more of a New England climate (this holds true both in the winter and summer) and the storms that are most likely to affect them also affect Boston. The storms that affect NYC and Nassau County the strongest belong to a different class altogether- the Midatlantic group- which also affect Delaware and New Jersey. During the 2010s and apparently going right into 2020 we've seen much more of the latter variety. There are many other examples of this (again during both the summer and winter)- Sandy, the Millenium storm you referenced and of course the Snowicane in late February 2010 come to mind immediately. Irene was also part of this pattern and I recall you were in Long Beach for that one. That would have been a better place to be with this one also. I expect this pattern to continue into the future with the much warmer sea surface temps we now have. Now looking forward to hitting 100 degrees later next week in this eventful and perhaps historic summer we have oncoming! What? Suffolk recorded the highest gusts in the entire area bro. Maine recorded gusts to 70. This is one of the worst takes ive ever seen on a weather board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 19 hours ago, bluewave said: Yeah, that 52 mph gust was just to the NE of St George at the Robbins Reef Lighthouse. Thanks Chris! Where were those two 57 mph gusts reported from? I saw one on the central NJ coast in southern Monmouth county (near Manasquan?) and the other one in extreme Southern NJ near Cape May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 15 hours ago, psv88 said: What? Suffolk recorded the highest gusts in the entire area bro. Maine recorded gusts to 70. This is one of the worst takes ive ever seen on a weather board. You misunderstood what I wrote, I was talking specifically about rainfall being less to the east of the center. Strongest winds are always to the east of the center, but the point is moot because Sandy wasn't even tropical when it made "landfall." But strongest winds being east of the center is almost always the case, whether it's tropical or not. Like Walt said, the rainfall patterns between Fay and Sandy were very similar; in both cases the heaviest rainfall was in Delaware, because both made "landfall" on the South Jersey Coast. The winds in Sandy on eastern Long Island and New England weren't a "tropical effect" and I wasn't addressing them with that statement. The rains were a "tropical effect" because those rains in Delaware occurred when Sandy was still tropical, the winds on Long Island occurred when it was no longer tropical. I hope that's clear enough for you to understand ;-) And you mentioned Maine, those kinds of winds would NEVER have happened that far north if Sandy was still tropical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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