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Has Indiana even seen much of a drop in cases the past few weeks? Is all this gradual reopening in midwest states simply a result of political and public pressure and not an actual significant decline in cases?

Here in KY, things are set to slowly reopen starting May 11th, but everyone must wear a face mask in public. Right now, face masks are not required in grocery stores or whatever else is open (Walmart, Lowe’s, etc). Seems kind of backwards to start mandating face masks two months after all this started.

I think we’re entering a new stage where everyone is going to have to assess their own personal risks and do what they are comfortable doing without their being too many government restrictions in place. Many will still practice social distancing, some will not. But according to researchers, the virus will be with us another 18-24 months until enough herd immunity is built and / or a vaccine is available on a widespread basis. Going to be a “fun” and interesting ride for a while.

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34 minutes ago, ovweather said:

Has Indiana even seen much of a drop in cases the past few weeks? Is all this gradual reopening in midwest states simply a result of political and public pressure and not an actual significant decline in cases?

Here in KY, things are set to slowly reopen starting May 11th, but everyone must wear a face mask in public. Right now, face masks are not required in grocery stores or whatever else is open (Walmart, Lowe’s, etc). Seems kind of backwards to start mandating face masks two months after all this started.

I think we’re entering a new stage where everyone is going to have to assess their own personal risks and do what they are comfortable doing without their being too many government restrictions in place. Many will still practice social distancing, some will not. But according to researchers, the virus will be with us another 18-24 months until enough herd immunity is built and / or a vaccine is available on a widespread basis. Going to be a “fun” and interesting ride for a while.

The ventilator and hospital readiness has trended better, but the percentage of positive test results has not really gone down and the number of cases is not on a consistent downward trend.

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14 minutes ago, RyanDe680 said:

Meanwhile, IL reports the most cases in the country today....

Wisconsin's positive test percentage is back in double digits as well :yikes:  Wouldn't surprise me if a large contributor to that was the poor way the protestors handled their business in a mob-like scene as opposed to Connecticut for example where they stayed largely in their cars.

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1 hour ago, wisconsinwx said:

Wisconsin's positive test percentage is back in double digits as well :yikes:  Wouldn't surprise me if a large contributor to that was the poor way the protestors handled their business in a mob-like scene as opposed to Connecticut for example where they stayed largely in their cars.

Or maybe it is the numbers piling up from that election that wasn't postponed...

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15 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Or maybe it is the numbers piling up from that election that wasn't postponed...

It’s mostly still the meat packing plant outbreaks in Green Bay but there were a lot of new cases in Milwaukee and Kenosha counties as well

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1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Or maybe it is the numbers piling up from that election that wasn't postponed...

That was four weeks ago, so I doubt it.  They were a bit circumstantial, so I think the protests had more of a negative impact than the elections since the numbers were stable if not a decrease in rate for the couple weeks leading up to this one. 

Didn't realize the meat packing plant outbreaks were largely a factor in the numbers from the last couple days.

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Yeah it’s probably time to rip the band-aid off and reopen. We’ve stopped it from destroying our health system which is terrific. But economically this is becoming devastating quickly, hell the entire city of Las Vegas is probably going to be unemployed in a month.

I think I really didn’t expect it all to wind up being this horrifying. I figured it’d be tough, but we’re staring at thousands dead and an economic depression. Just think it’s time to expect there is no win in this battle

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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

Yeah it’s probably time to rip the band-aid off and reopen. We’ve stopped it from destroying our health system which is terrific. But economically this is becoming devastating quickly, hell the entire city of Las Vegas is probably going to be unemployed in a month.

I think I really didn’t expect it all to wind up being this horrifying. I figured it’d be tough, but we’re staring at thousands dead and an economic depression. Just think it’s time to expect there is no win in this battle

Yeah gotta save the money, wont someone please think of the money!!!!

Also what you are seeing is a product of staying at home and social distancing working. If none of that was put in place what you're seeing in New York would have been every major city in this country.

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10 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Also concerned about the multi-week period of significant differences in restrictions between Illinois and Indiana (since the Illinois stay at home goes until the end of May), especially for areas up and down the IL/IN border and in particular for Lake county Indiana since we have Cook county next door.  Granted we already get a lot of Illinois people coming across the border for gas and other things (there have been times when I have seen more Illinois plates than Indiana plates at gas stations just inside the Indiana border lol) but now we will have a situation where stores and malls that have been closed for several weeks will be open in Indiana but not in Illinois.  

I'll tell ya one thing.  Have done take out and drive through while all this has been going on, but you couldn't pay me to dine inside at a restaurant for the foreseeable future.  No thanks. 

  Yeah, you won't see me in a restaurant until 2021 and I'm still an active member in the NRA (no not that one).  It was interesting that Holcomb said he had a call with the governors of KY and OH earlier in the day but not with IL or MI (although he did say they notified the latter states of IN's intentions early Fri.)

  So unless I'm missing something, I have not seen a new executive order on the IN corona page.  In the past when the existing orders were extended there was a new executive order that superseded the current one.  All I'm seeing is references to the backontrack.in.gov webpage.  Such a reversal in direction I would assume would require a new executive order.  I was hoping to be able to read that to see the finer points of how we move forward instead of a PP presentation.  The current executive order expired at midnight Thurs. 

  Some might think I'm nit picking but without a new executive order IN has now entered the foggy world of guidelines.  Not like we weren't there already. Technically, the IDOH was entrusted with enforcement of the restrictions from day one, and only with investigative power.  None of these restrictions were technically law except for some of the business restrictions (which fell underneath the INDOH.  They basically changed the rules that health inspectors use when they inspect your business).  People could congregate in groups in someones back yard (and they did) without fear of law enforcement dispersing or throwing them in jail (which really makes me wonder about these extremely small numbers of protestors, against what?). 

  I digress, easy to find rabbit holes in all of this lol.  I guess my point is, technically the previous executive order and all that was in it has been allowed to expire.  The current stage 2 guidelines don't kick in until Monday.  Is there technically a free for all this weekend?  I mean "technically" without official public notification every restaurant in the state could open up this weekend.  If I'm missing the legal document please point me to it.  I thought IN was being a little smart about this but  my state just took me for a walk and now all I have is a leash and no hand and I want to chase a rabbit:unsure:

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51 minutes ago, Jackstraw said:

  Yeah, you won't see me in a restaurant until 2021 and I'm still an active member in the NRA (no not that one).  It was interesting that Holcomb said he had a call with the governors of KY and OH earlier in the day but not with IL or MI (although he did say they notified the latter states of IN's intentions early Fri.)

  So unless I'm missing something, I have not seen a new executive order on the IN corona page.  In the past when the existing orders were extended there was a new executive order that superseded the current one.  All I'm seeing is references to the backontrack.in.gov webpage.  Such a reversal in direction I would assume would require a new executive order.  I was hoping to be able to read that to see the finer points of how we move forward instead of a PP presentation.  The current executive order expired at midnight Thurs. 

  Some might think I'm nit picking but without a new executive order IN has now entered the foggy world of guidelines.  Not like we weren't there already. Technically, the IDOH was entrusted with enforcement of the restrictions from day one, and only with investigative power.  None of these restrictions were technically law except for some of the business restrictions (which fell underneath the INDOH.  They basically changed the rules that health inspectors use when they inspect your business).  People could congregate in groups in someones back yard (and they did) without fear of law enforcement dispersing or throwing them in jail (which really makes me wonder about these extremely small numbers of protestors, against what?). 

  I digress, easy to find rabbit holes in all of this lol.  I guess my point is, technically the previous executive order and all that was in it has been allowed to expire.  The current stage 2 guidelines don't kick in until Monday.  Is there technically a free for all this weekend?  I mean "technically" without official public notification every restaurant in the state could open up this weekend.  If I'm missing the legal document please point me to it.  I thought IN was being a little smart about this but  my state just took me for a walk and now all I have is a leash and no hand and I want to chase a rabbit:unsure:

Yeah I was wondering the same thing about this weekend.  If the reopening starts May 4, might as well have just backed it up to May 2.

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6 hours ago, Jackstraw said:

  Yeah, you won't see me in a restaurant until 2021 and I'm still an active member in the NRA (no not that one).  It was interesting that Holcomb said he had a call with the governors of KY and OH earlier in the day but not with IL or MI (although he did say they notified the latter states of IN's intentions early Fri.)

  So unless I'm missing something, I have not seen a new executive order on the IN corona page.  In the past when the existing orders were extended there was a new executive order that superseded the current one.  All I'm seeing is references to the backontrack.in.gov webpage.  Such a reversal in direction I would assume would require a new executive order.  I was hoping to be able to read that to see the finer points of how we move forward instead of a PP presentation.  The current executive order expired at midnight Thurs. 

  Some might think I'm nit picking but without a new executive order IN has now entered the foggy world of guidelines.  Not like we weren't there already. Technically, the IDOH was entrusted with enforcement of the restrictions from day one, and only with investigative power.  None of these restrictions were technically law except for some of the business restrictions (which fell underneath the INDOH.  They basically changed the rules that health inspectors use when they inspect your business).  People could congregate in groups in someones back yard (and they did) without fear of law enforcement dispersing or throwing them in jail (which really makes me wonder about these extremely small numbers of protestors, against what?). 

  I digress, easy to find rabbit holes in all of this lol.  I guess my point is, technically the previous executive order and all that was in it has been allowed to expire.  The current stage 2 guidelines don't kick in until Monday.  Is there technically a free for all this weekend?  I mean "technically" without official public notification every restaurant in the state could open up this weekend.  If I'm missing the legal document please point me to it.  I thought IN was being a little smart about this but  my state just took me for a walk and now all I have is a leash and no hand and I want to chase a rabbit:unsure:

You seriously wont go inside a restaurant until next year ? Wow.

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Yeah gotta save the money, wont someone please think of the money!!!!
Also what you are seeing is a product of staying at home and social distancing working. If none of that was put in place what you're seeing in New York would have been every major city in this country.

Oh I agree with social distancing working! But all of precautions we have currently I think will limit exponential growth until we have a vaccine. Also our therapy options have improved via Resmidvir and hospital capacity remains quite safe.

But yes you do have to think of the money as well. We have 30 MILLION people unemployed right now and many businesses shuttered. Our economy is not able to manufacture and sell goods well at all currently, and we’re about to see a foreclosure wave that will shock the country.
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3 hours ago, Snownado said:

You seriously wont go inside a restaurant until next year ? Wow.

I don't blame him at all.  Too much potential to catch it, especially once the rules on restaurant capacity reach 50% and then 75%.

I'd feel better about dining outdoors.  

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I don't blame him at all.  Too much potential to catch it, especially once the rules on restaurant capacity reach 50% and then 75%.
I'd feel better about dining outdoors.  

That’s what SC is allowing. Outdoor dining only which I think is the right move
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52 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


That’s what SC is allowing. Outdoor dining only which I think is the right move

Yeah it's the right move for now. Obviously i think indoor dining will become more widespread as time goes on.

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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:


That’s what SC is allowing. Outdoor dining only which I think is the right move

Especially as temperatures are warming up, this will be a great alternative. Hopefully they’ll also provide covering for rain. 

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According to the White House’s “Operation Warp Speed,” a vaccine will be ready this fall with 100 million doses in November, 200 million in December, and 300 million in January, so a year from now this will all be a distant memory. :thumbsup: :axe:

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27 minutes ago, ovweather said:

According to the White House’s “Operation Warp Speed,” a vaccine will be ready this fall with 100 million doses in November, 200 million in December, and 300 million in January, so a year from now this will all be a distant memory. :thumbsup: :axe:

That is so ridiculously fast compared to how long it normally takes.  I am not anti-vaxx but I'd be leery about lining up for THIS one right away if it really comes out that soon.  Takes quite a while to properly establish safety and efficacy.

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18 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

That is so ridiculously fast compared to how long it normally takes.  I am not anti-vaxx but I'd be leery about lining up for THIS one right away if it really comes out that soon.  Takes quite a while to properly establish safety and efficacy.

Based upon every other promise they have given I would be completely skeptical of any timeline they are projecting.

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5 hours ago, Stebo said:

Based upon every other promise they have given I would be completely skeptical of any timeline they are projecting.

Yeah I remember when everyone could get a test in March.  And 60 million antibody tests would be available by the end of April.  Lots of people make lots of promises that are rarely fulfilled 

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2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

That is so ridiculously fast compared to how long it normally takes.  I am not anti-vaxx but I'd be leery about lining up for THIS one right away if it really comes out that soon.  Takes quite a while to properly establish safety and efficacy.

It’s simply a re-election campaign ploy by the current administration. 100 million vaccines ready by November just in time for the election... hmmm.

Scientific logic says that going from no vaccine for a new virus to vaccinating basically the entire US population against said new virus in less than a year is impossible, not to mention probably not safe.

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Based upon every other promise they have given I would be completely skeptical of any timeline they are projecting.

Based on every project ever lol. I can’t name one work project ever that came in perfectly on time
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35 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


Based on every project ever lol. I can’t name one work project ever that came in perfectly on time

It isn't about perfection... they haven't been close to any projection in testing. How can they project millions of vaccines when there isn't even a vaccine found yet? It's one thing to be optimistic but this is just unfounded guessing by them at best and at worst lying.

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They don't have one for SARS or MERS yet, at least not a proven one.  And thats damn near 20 and 10 years respectively.  There are some iffy treatments, but containment was the key to both of them.

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These coronaviruses aren't smallpox or polio.  They are mRNA viruses, you can't just shoot dead or semi dead virus in someone to build immunity.  People really need to understand, this is the most contagious coronavirus we've ever seen, and THAT is the problem in the long run.

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58 minutes ago, Jackstraw said:

They don't have one for SARS or MERS yet, at least not a proven one.  And thats damn near 20 and 10 years respectively.  There are some iffy treatments, but containment was the key to both of them.

I was under the impression that they basically stopped trying for a SARS and MERS vaccine since they were contained.  No?

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I was under the impression that they basically stopped trying for a SARS and MERS vaccine since they were contained.  No?

Partly true.  There were definitely funding issues for continued research into vaccines for both due to the complexities of developing a vaccine against this kind of virus and of course profitability..  While flu viruses are similar to coronaviruses, the reason there's a flu vaccine every year is we have decades of vaccines to work off of and of course one can make a ton of money.  Vaccines for SARS and MERS were being researched, with some success in animal trials, but not without some severe side effects.  The research hasn't stopped.  Funding may be part of it, but it's also the nature of these viruses that make it so difficult.  I guess one could say it would be difficult to do human trials on a virus that's been "contained" because of the danger involved and probably couldn't make a buck on it (until now).  MERS was thought to have been contained until 2015 when it reared it's head in South Korea so we've known these are lurking.  Just as the argument we're having right now in this country about exposure and death vs the economy, I find it very ironic that a limiting factor in development of some sort of vaccine for Cov2 was due to the fact that SARS and MERS didn't kill a lot of folks therefore wasn't economically profitable.  It's a dark comedic tragedy.

https://www.bcm.edu/departments/molecular-virology-and-microbiology/emerging-infections-and-biodefense/sars-virus

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