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16 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Ended with over 192k on worldometers and 2065 deaths

To put it in horrifying perspective, today alone would be the 8th deadliest disaster in U.S history pre-pandemic. This is why we need to shutdown again, cause otherwise in a month this will be considered a low day. God we are so so so f***ed.

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1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Where the hell is Trump?

Where is Congress is the ultimate question? They're playing political games while the whole country suffers. Trump actually (at least publicly) asked for Congress to write up a relief package. His problem is that he has lost any political clout he had with Republicans in the Senate, while they cat fight with Pelosi.

Not that a relief package would fix the pandemic, but it would sure as hell make it easier for people to shelter-in-place and keep some small businesses open.

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37 minutes ago, Geoboy645 said:

To put it in horrifying perspective, today alone would be the 8th deadliest disaster in U.S history pre-pandemic. This is why we need to shutdown again, cause otherwise in a month this will be considered a low day. God we are so so so f***ed.

We need Congress to get their collective head out of its ass and get to work and pass a stimulus that would allow businesses to close without going completely belly-up. Right now there would be mass layoffs and closures that businesses wouldn’t be able to recover from this time due to no help. Food lines and the need for help are already the greatest since the 1930s. We definitely should shut down again but we don’t seem to have the will to take care of employees and businesses to do so unlike in Europe (where they seem to have plateaued and are decreasing somewhat in new cases now). Unfortunately what we’re headed toward is the overwhelmed healthcare system along with a collapsing economy anyway. 

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43 minutes ago, IWXwx said:

Where is Congress is the ultimate question? They're playing political games while the whole country suffers. Trump actually (at least publicly) asked for Congress to write up a relief package. His problem is that he has lost any political clout he had with Republicans in the Senate, while they cat fight with Pelosi.

Not that a relief package would fix the pandemic, but it would sure as hell make it easier for people to shelter-in-place and keep some small businesses open.

There have been several packages sent through the house some with bipartisan support. It is the turtle slowing everything down in the Senate.

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3 weeks ago, we were just starting to approach 100k cases in a day.  Now we are seeing 150-200k per day and already getting about 2k deaths on the higher reporting days.  Truly frightening to think about where things are heading as some of these newer cases eventually become hospitalized and die.  I really don't see how we avoid days with a 9/11 type death toll or worse, even if transmission rapidly slows down soon (and it likely won't).  

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6 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

3 weeks ago, we were just starting to approach 100k cases in a day.  Now we are seeing 150-200k per day and already getting about 2k deaths on the higher reporting days.  Truly frightening to think about where things are heading as some of these newer cases eventually become hospitalized and die.  I really don't see how we avoid days with a 9/11 type death toll or worse, even if transmission rapidly slows down soon (and it likely won't).  

Yep. Unfortunately that’s the consequence of the overwhelmed hospitals-quality of care goes down due to the staff shortages, filled facilities and burnout. We have better treatments now than when it was horrendous here in NYC in April but we can only take care of so many people. 

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You know what's another really horrifying fact. That our death toll is now basically equal with Madison's total population. That means we have lost an amount of people equivalent to the entire city of Madison in all of 8 months. Holy s*** that is a lot of people just gone now. And that is not even talking about excess deaths and the people affected by all of these deaths.

Edit: Or for all of you don't know how truly big that is. That is equivalent in Ohio to 92% of Toledo just being gone. Or in Illinois it would be the new 2nd largest city in the state. Or in Indiana it would be 93% of Fort Wayne. It would be the new largest city in Iowa. You get the picture. It's an unimaginably large number that is just going to get higher quicker unless we do something.

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23 minutes ago, Geoboy645 said:

You know what's another really horrifying fact. That our death toll is now basically equal with Madison's total population. That means we have lost an amount of people equivalent to the entire city of Madison in all of 8 months. Holy s*** that is a lot of people just gone now. And that is not even talking about excess deaths and the people affected by all of these deaths.

Edit: Or for all of you don't know how truly big that is. That is equivalent in Ohio to 92% of Toledo just being gone. Or in Illinois it would be the new 2nd largest city in the state. Or in Indiana it would be 93% of Fort Wayne. It would be the new largest city in Iowa. You get the picture. It's an unimaginably large number that is just going to get higher quicker unless we do something.

From the beginning it caught my attention that COVID-19 was causing daily death tolls in Italy greater than just about all the weather disasters in the U.S. this century apart from Hurricane Katrina. That's when I knew this was no flu.

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If the USA holds at 2,000 fatalities a day, that will be 14,000 a week. 

Assuming a lot of these fatalities were from infections 2-3 weeks ago, then what will it look like in 2-3 weeks from now? 14,000-21,000 a week? I can't wrap my head around these 150,000-200,000 infections a day.

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22 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

At the rate we are going that would actually be best case seneario. 

They do simulate what amounts to a "let it rip" scenario.  That one leads to about 660k deaths by March 1.

I heard they were going to start to factor vaccinations in to the projection, but I'm not sure if it happened on this week's update.  And if we're being honest... the vaccines aren't going to arrive and take effect in time this winter for the vast majority of Americans.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

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Covid is already an F on the report card. Best case scenario, I'm hoping that America realizes that this shit is not a one-time fluke; rather, novel outbreaks are a permanent consequence of a globalized world with nearly ten billion humans on it. I am willing to bet my life that it will be less than a decade before the next major disease outbreak; and next time, the virus may not be as forgiving as Covid. 

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2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Anyone see the Denmark mask study that is making the rounds?  It is being used by some to discredit mask wearing.  It has several limitations though and did not examine whether an infected person wearing a mask is less likely to transmit to someone else.

So in other words a useless study that will get pimped by stupid people as a reason not to wear masks.

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5 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Anyone see the Denmark mask study that is making the rounds?  It is being used by some to discredit mask wearing.  It has several limitations though and did not examine whether an infected person wearing a mask is less likely to transmit to someone else.

Looks like it was more focused on if a mask prevents the wearer from getting sick.  Didn't read it all. 

A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%).

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54 minutes ago, IWXwx said:

The infectious disease specialist at our local hospital told staff earlier this week that if the public doesn't begin doing a better job of taking precautions soon, the cases will begin to double every week. Sounds like a little bit of a stretch.Thoughts?

That's exponential growth.  IF nothing changes, then that's what will happen.  

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36 minutes ago, Frog Town said:

That's exponential growth.  IF nothing changes, then that's what will happen.  

You put it correctly, as in a big IF.  Right now without federal government assistance, state and local authorities are reluctant to push for restrictions that would strongly affect the economy, so not much is going to change there.  Also, it is obvious that there is a large portion of the population that aren't taking universal precautions for a number of reasons and not much is going to change there either until the horrors of the disease personally affects them.

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9 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

Covid is already an F on the report card. Best case scenario, I'm hoping that America realizes that this shit is not a one-time fluke; rather, novel outbreaks are a permanent consequence of a globalized world with nearly ten billion humans on it. I am willing to bet my life that it will be less than a decade before the next major disease outbreak; and next time, the virus may not be as forgiving as Covid. 

If the lab is still open in Wuhan they are probably working on developing other awful viruses. Who knows, maybe COVID is just the tip of the Chinese biological weapon spear. 

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4 minutes ago, NEOH said:

If the lab is still open in Wuhan they are probably working on developing other awful viruses. Who knows, maybe COVID is just the tip of the Chinese biological weapon spear. 

If you actually believe this, then you are a spit in the face of every person who has ever had -or will have- this virus. Shame on you and your voodoo bullshit.

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Just now, Malacka11 said:

If you actually believe this, then you are a spit in the face of every person who has ever had -or will have- this virus. Shame on you and your voodoo bullshit.

Please tell everyone what is voodoo about the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan? Dude... you're off your rocker. 

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To return to the drug use discussion, as someone who supervises defendants for the courts; I can say unequivocally that drug use has increased. This is not as a "direct" result of COVID per se, but a tertiary effect resulting from probation, parole, and court systems modify their meeting and drug testing procedures. With many court hearings being done virtually, it makes it much easier for usage to go unnoticed. 

However, to a certain degree, those taking advantage of the current situation and using would have likely taken any opportunity to use. Drug use is a different pandemic upon itself. Lets not try to compare covid deaths to drug use increases/suicide deaths as if there are equivocal. The are not even close.  

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Look. I'm really not going to waste my time here because clearly neither of you have the foggiest clue about how this shit works, but basically, the idea is that it would be painfully obvious if Covid were a humanly modified disease because there would be a clear backbone genome, and plenty of obvious changes to the backbone. Instead, what we have is a relatively benign disease in comparison to things such as Ebola or Marburg (as you guys love to point out) that is incredibly similar to several other viruses that exist naturally. 

Maybe Covid was in a lab in Wuhan at some point after its discovery, but it certainly wasn't made in one. 

Please stop projecting your slowly-loosening grip on reality onto me. Kiss my ass.

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Just now, Malacka11 said:

Look. I'm really not going to waste my time here because clearly neither of you have the foggiest clue about how this shit works, but basically, the idea is that it would be painfully obvious if Covid were a humanly modified disease because there would be a clear backbone genome, and plenty of obvious changes to the backbone. Instead, what we have is a relatively benign disease in comparison to things such as Ebola or Marburg (as you guys love to point out) that is incredibly similar to several other viruses that exist naturally. 

Maybe Covid was in a lab in Wuhan at some point after its discovery, but it certainly wasn't made in one. 

Please stop projecting your slowly-loosening grip on reality onto me. Kiss my ass.

But.. But... My Freedomz... 

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