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November 11th-12th storm system


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18Z GFS is a little weaker than the 12Z, could be alot worse.

 

Remember: 18Z Runs are always somewhat iffy this far out.

 

Nah, this isn't really true now and hasn't been for awhile. NCEP's official position summarizes the technical details pretty well. Also, look for dtk's posts on this forum.  He has to debunk the myth on here pretty frequently it seems.

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It seems climate would favor a narrower warm sector this time of year.  I'm thinking we get a powerful QLCS with some surprises along the way with this upcoming system.  And i hope it is strengthening rather than occluding as it moves into the Midwest.

 

Agreed, not much to do now except wait for the 0Z Suite for a clearer answer.

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Not liking how the NAM is trending for anyone in Illinois that likes storms. Deepens the low out in Kansas and slows it down. Also, it takes a low inland on the E coast, reducing the moisture for this storm? 

 

Despite recent slowing in other guidance, it's the NAM at 84 hours, so yeah use at your own peril. That low isn't going to make much of a difference, moisture return is already rather stingy. This is going to be more of a lapse rate driven event.

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The GFS actually has some halfway decent mid level lapse rates moving across IL/IN on Wednesday. Problem is that low level moisture is more of a question this time.

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I don't buy the low level moisture on the GFS the winds are going to be screaming out of south ahead of the system and the warm sector isn't as small this run. I don't know what the deal is with the GFS, if it is leaning more toward climo or if there is another issue at hand.
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The GFS actually has some halfway decent mid level lapse rates moving across IL/IN on Wednesday.  Problem is that low level moisture is more of a question this time.

 

 

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Just brought this up to my friend. Any reason why that big plume at 12z dies off once the system starts moving? 

 

Is it because of the low level moisture? 

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Continue to be interested in the front end wind potential, especially if a deeper solution like the GFS pans out.  Here's a forecast sounding from northwest IN at 00z Thursday and right around the time the GFS has a line moving in.  The question will be how much of a stable layer there is near the surface.  Otherwise, 55 kts at 900 mb so you do the math.  And these winds are out of the SSE which is a bit atypical.

 

 

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Continue to be interested in the front end wind potential, especially if a deeper solution like the GFS pans out.  Here's a forecast sounding from northwest IN at 00z Thursday and right around the time the GFS has a line moving in.  The question will be how much of a stable layer there is near the surface.  Otherwise, 55 kts at 900 mb so you do the math.  And these winds are out of the SSE which is a bit atypical.

 

 

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Yeah no doubt. That's an amazing hodograph too.

 

GFS is showing gusts up to 60 MPH in the "warm" sector

 

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Euro has been weaker than the GFS with it's past 3 runs or so.  Generally settling into the mid 980s at peak strength.  Looking like the GFS forecasts of sub 980mb will be too robust.  GFS is already starting to back off the really deep solution.  Still looking like a very impressive storm, but not quite as impressive as some of the really amped up GFS op runs have advertised.  

 

Should be a very windy system, but widespread warning criteria winds may not come to pass.  Widespread wind advisories/local high wind warnings will probably be what we see if trends continue.  

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