weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 A boundary, 0-1 km helicity, and 0-3 km CAPE are usually a pretty good combo to spin something from the ground up. 0-3 km shear and you're starting to get into a deeper meso, and a more "legit" tornado environment. I think of the waterspouts on Winnipesaukee the last few years. Those are mainly lake breeze induced deals, and those circulations don't extend much beyond 1 km above the surface. You know how in NY off the lakes there seems to be like a coincidence in some of the tornado tracks from just off the lake? is there anything similar in ME? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 You know how in NY off the lakes there seems to be like a coincidence in some of the tornado tracks from just off the lake? is there anything similar in ME? Not really, our tornado hotbeds seem to be right up against the high terrain. Though we get fairly frequent waterspouts on the big lakes, which unfortunately count as tornadoes in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not really, our tornado hotbeds seem to be right up against the high terrain. Though we get fairly frequent waterspouts on the big lakes, which unfortunately count as tornadoes in the books. and that's where there has to be some sort of separate classification as far as records go...at least for research purposes. Many times waterspouts or tornadoes induced from kale boundaries are a different breed. Although they are a component of mesoscale and microscale (probably more mnicroscale) which often are the leading contributors to our tornadoes, but those occurrences only seem to happen during certain times of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct_yankee Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Wiz, I actually like NE severe for some of the very same reasons you say you hate it. I learned to chase back in ‘04, spent a whole season out west, and I can tell you for certain that chasing has simply gotten too easy in the intervening years. It was a real challenge back when there was no radar info unless you stopped at a library, or very occasionally got lucky with cell phone reception using a laptop tether. Nowdays there’s so much info constantly available, including vastly superior model output, that almost anyone can chase the Plains and have a reasonably good chance of success. But in New England, ahh, good old New England… Forecasting and chasing severe here is a real challenge. I agree, you learn to do it here and you can do it anywhere, and what’s more, when you finally score here it will be that much more satisfying. Don’t let it get you down, winning against long odds is much more sweet than a sure thing. Sure, go out there and finally see a tube or two if you can afford it, but things can actually be much more interesting right where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Wiz, I actually like NE severe for some of the very same reasons you say you hate it. I learned to chase back in ‘04, spent a whole season out west, and I can tell you for certain that chasing has simply gotten too easy in the intervening years. It was a real challenge back when there was no radar info unless you stopped at a library, or very occasionally got lucky with cell phone reception using a laptop tether. Nowdays there’s so much info constantly available, including vastly superior model output, that almost anyone can chase the Plains and have a reasonably good chance of success. But in New England, ahh, good old New England… Forecasting and chasing severe here is a real challenge. I agree, you learn to do it here and you can do it anywhere, and what’s more, when you finally score here it will be that much more satisfying. Don’t let it get you down, winning against long odds is much more sweet than a sure thing. Sure, go out there and finally see a tube or two if you can afford it, but things can actually be much more interesting right where we are. For myself, as much as I would LOVE to witness big severe and be in the middle of it the thrill I really get from it is the forecasting aspect of it and just preparing people to be aware of it. In the end that's all I really care about. I mean don't get me wrong...when there is big potential for stuff and I get nothing I get incredibly pissed on the inside...however, when I hear from people I know that were affected and prepared b/c they asked me and I explained to them the potential...that is rewarding to me. But I know what you're saying...and this technology is certainly way better...especially if you chase b/c 1) you can get yourself to safety and 2) you can re-position yourself. But New England is certainly a different breed and it is a ton of fun wishing and hoping and just watching things unfold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 and that's where there has to be some sort of separate classification as far as records go...at least for research purposes. Many times waterspouts or tornadoes induced from kale boundaries are a different breed. Although they are a component of mesoscale and microscale (probably more mnicroscale) which often are the leading contributors to our tornadoes, but those occurrences only seem to happen during certain times of the day Our tornado occurrences up here are rare enough that it's pretty easy to hand toss the waterspout reports versus the true mesocyclone induced tornadoes. Around here our most unique aspect is the terrain forcing when it comes to tornadogenesis. You don't see much in the way of case studies being done in the Midwest on mesocyclone stretching coming off terrain (a la Great Barrington). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Line looks nasty roaring NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 A boundary, 0-1 km helicity, and 0-3 km CAPE are usually a pretty good combo to spin something from the ground up. 0-3 km shear and you're starting to get into a deeper meso, and a more "legit" tornado environment. I think of the waterspouts on Winnipesaukee the last few years. Those are mainly lake breeze induced deals, and those circulations don't extend much beyond 1 km above the surface. Yeah 0-3KM shear will help with the big boys for sure. I just mean more for those quick 1-scan spinners we all know and love lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Line looks nasty roaring NE Looks like a good downpour even if no rumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Line looks nasty roaring NE Definitely looking healthy for a quick hitting loud time shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 We bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Looks like a good downpour even if no rumbles. It's thundering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 A distant rumbly to the SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIcoastalWX Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 67/65 - Thunderstorm with heavy rain. 2nd thunderstorm of the morning with the most intense still to the SW. Gusty SE winds and vivid lightning with the storms thus far. .68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 It's thundering AWT. This is why getting a good s/w ejecting in like this, is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Nice! Not too shabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 All of Ridgefield is w/o power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Nice! Not too shabby 55-60kts at 3000'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Ginxy may have to rescue the good folks of SW RI again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 All of Ridgefield is w/o power That fine CT power grid showing its strength once again. rain, distant rumbles. Hopefully, we'll get some good strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 55-60kts at 3000'. Not bad for 7 AM! I missed the show here b/c I had headphones on but caught the end of the thunder/lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Ripping good thunderstorm on Fishers Island. Constant thunder. No wind as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIcoastalWX Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Constant thunder and lightning with torrential rain. No wind. Almost complete darkness outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Doubt it verifies, but NAM is pretty wild with pm parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Watchout for this line. Wind gusts to 55mph reported 0617 AM MARINE TSTM WIND 1 SE WEST MECOX VILLAGE 40.91N 72.32W07/01/2015 M55 MPH SUFFOLK NY MESONET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 not a bad way to start the morning. Certainly not severe but a pretty decent show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Doubt it verifies, but NAM is pretty wild with pm parameters. Much less exciting this morning than it was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIcoastalWX Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Moderate to heavy rain with constant thunder. Peak gust of 37 as the line moved through with vivid lightning and very loud thunder. Briefly lost power twice. 1.03 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Some heavy rain, not much in the way of thunder/lightning. Any of the occassional lightning was 3 or more miles away based on my count. Perhaps this afternoon might allow for a refiring of storms. 60.8/60 .49" in the bucket thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Much less exciting this morning than it was yesterday. The NAM/GFS develop another LLJ max this afternoon but geared more towards SE MA. Would be nice if that occurred further west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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