CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Between yesterday and today, it looks nice with a refresher for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 That was for Kevin, not citizens of cape cod. My side roads and driveway are still covered looks like about 1/2 inch, nice refresher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Never ever understood why snow amount was a measurement of advisory level, anyone who drives knows that first inch is the most dangerous. Of course headlines for slippery driving conditions were warranted in many areas today, foolish to think they were not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Although I didn't think this area would get closer to an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We warn and advise for everything nowadays. Overload and public is immune to it. You get in the car , it's fooking snowing....you go slow. Period. Nobody should require a phone alert to tell them how to slow down. Good grief. How stupid are we then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 That was for Kevin, not citizens of cape cod.How did that forecast end up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 How did that forecast end up?Congrats on the coating. You showed me who's boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Congrats on the coating. You showed me who's boss.You 3 can never just tip the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We warn and advise for everything nowadays. Overload and public is immune to it. You get in the car , it's fooking snowing....you go slow. Period. Nobody should require a phone alert to tell them how to slow down. Good grief. How stupid are we then? What if you are driving down 95 at 70 mph and run into a squall, do you think a heads up would have helped? I guess we really don"t need any warnings, everyone for them self. I get what you are saying but some people are scared to death of winter driving and opt to stay home if snow is coming, elderly won"t go out for fear of slipping. The warning system is transitioning to impact based which it should rather than some silly scientific line in the sand. The job is to advise and protect. Not everyone is as astute as Scooter, doesn't mean they are dumb just means they like to be advised and pay for that advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 What if you are driving down 95 at 70 mph and run into a squall, do you think a heads up would have helped? I guess we really don"t need any warnings, everyone for them self. I get what you are saying but some people are scared to death of winter driving and opt to stay home if snow is coming, elderly won"t go out for fear of slipping. The warning system is transitioning to impact based which it should rather than some silly scientific line in the sand. The job is to advise and protect. Not everyone is as astute as Scooter, doesn't mean they are dumb just means they like to be advised and pay for that advice. Steve, I see a squall...I slow down. How is some sort of warning going to help me? What am I going to drive 25mph on 93 with my head spazzing in all directions looking for the infamous squall? C'mon. Common sense has completely gone out the window around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 You 3 can never just tip the cap.What about tapping the bottle and twisting the cap? Why do you need accolades for .3"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 There are accidents from drizzle due to wet pavement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 What about tapping the bottle and twisting the cap? Why do you need accolades for .3"? Just a little Jeter re2pect now and again . Tip the cap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X03_bNuihLU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavwtby Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 My side roads and driveway are still covered looks like about 1/2 inch, nice refresher Yea, I came home from work to find a little more than half inch otg, I assume some melted/settled...but I'm adding a half inch.. Penny my way to 100".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 0.4" new here. Mainly accumulated on just prior snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We warn and advise for everything nowadays. Overload and public is immune to it. You get in the car , it's fooking snowing....you go slow. Period. Nobody should require a phone alert to tell them how to slow down. Good grief. How stupid are we then?Judging from all the accidents today very stupid! People don't get it, they don't slow down...we crash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavwtby Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Judging from all the accidents today very stupid! People don't get it, they don't slow down...we crash! To busy with other crap like texting and makeup to care it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Judging from all the accidents today very stupid! People don't get it, they don't slow down...we crash! Stupid is a stupid does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We warn and advise for everything nowadays. Overload and public is immune to it. You get in the car , it's fooking snowing....you go slow. Period. Nobody should require a phone alert to tell them how to slow down. Good grief. How stupid are we then? Every time it snows, every new season, I am astonished how many stupid drivers there are. Biggest danger of driving in snow is other drivers, imo. 1" at 29F can be just as treacherous, and rookie drivers just don't have the common sense... text alerts will eventually be ignored just like all the other tweets and status updates and tv warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 What if you are driving down 95 at 70 mph and run into a squall, do you think a heads up would have helped? I guess we really don"t need any warnings, everyone for them self. I get what you are saying but some people are scared to death of winter driving and opt to stay home if snow is coming, elderly won"t go out for fear of slipping. The warning system is transitioning to impact based which it should rather than some silly scientific line in the sand. The job is to advise and protect. Not everyone is as astute as Scooter, doesn't mean they are dumb just means they like to be advised and pay for that advice. The more advisories you put out, the fewer the public will pay attention. The value of them gets diluted. You save it for the true impact events where constant plowing is needed and pedestrian foot traffic really becomes impeded . I feel like most of your generation would have laughed someone out of the building 30-40 years ago if they were touting needing advisories for 1.5" of snow. We don't need advisories to tell the public that driving in snow requires caution. There's a reason that the limit is 3"+ in over 50% of the aerial coverage of the advisory zone and that a warning requires double that in <12 hours. But maybe I'm the bad guy in this convo...trying to ressurrect some common sense and self initiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 The more advisories you put out, the fewer the public will pay attention. The value of them gets diluted. You save it for the true impact events where constant plowing is needed and pedestrian foot traffic really becomes impeded . I feel like most of your generation would have laughed someone out of the building 30-40 years ago if they were touting needing advisories for 1.5" of snow. We don't need advisories to tell the public that driving in snow requires caution. There's a reason that the limit is 3"+ in over 50% of the aerial coverage of the advisory zone and that a warning requires double that in <12 hours. But maybe I'm the bad guy in this convo...trying to ressurrect some common sense and self initiative. My generation had travelers advisories whenever slippery driving was possible. The quaint science non impact based logic days are over. Again you are a stats guy, look up the accident rate of snow for the first inch versus 6 inches, the impact is greater for obvious reasons, getting stuck should be warned, knowing slippery conditions could impact driving deserves a advisory , in fact NWS can issue advisories as needed now not strictly based an hard numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 My generation had travelers advisories whenever slippery driving was possible. The quaint science non impact based logic days are over. Again you are a stats guy, look up the accident rate of snow for the first inch versus 6 inches, the impact is greater for obvious reasons, getting stuck should be warned, knowing slippery conditions could impact driving deserves a advisory , in fact NWS can issue advisories as needed now not strictly based an hard numbers. We'll agree to disagree....we'd be issuing advisories with every 21F coating if we went with that logic. When we issue advisories for every nuisance event....that will be the day the public completely ignores the advisory for the 3-6" event that does a lot more "damage" to the commute. Most can handle 1-2" of snow. There's more accidents in 1-2" of snow because there's way more drivers on the road. Just like there's more accidents on a regular work commute than days where we have 10"+ of snow because the latter has so few drivers on the road. But there's no sense continuing the argument since there's a subjective interpretation of the value of putting an advisory out for 1.5" of snow....and clearly we have differing interpretations of it. Regardless, my "no headliens needed" comment was clearly based on the criteria for advisory snowfall as defined by the 3"+ threshold. That wasn't met in the area in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I used a yard stick. It was fine. Yes I have a yardstick now in my car. I Do TOO!! When I went to your town I totally did. Love to see what people think of this little Italian kid running around shoving this stick in people's snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I stopped reading at shoving his stick in....did it end well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 -.3"...pissah event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Yeah if you can't learn to drive in 1-2" of snow, don't go out on the road or move out of the region. Lol. I've always felt we need fewer headlines. Not more. More of them tends to numb the public to them. Our most popular VTEC product (watch, warning, advisory) is a small craft advisory. We've become numb to issuing them, so how does the public feel when they hear "small craft advisory in effect" on the evening news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Never ever understood why snow amount was a measurement of advisory level, anyone who drives knows that first inch is the most dangerous. Of course headlines for slippery driving conditions were warranted in many areas today, foolish to think they were not It's what we hear from state officials all the time too. I mean any amount of measurable snow can have an "impact," but so can black ice, flash freezes, ponding in poor drainage areas, sun glare driving west on a clear day, etc. We can't really advise on every contingency. If we had products out for every 1 inch snow event, we'd be topping 25 headlines easily. Because as with any product, a certain number will "bust" and we'll have headlines out for a half inch of snow. I think this current state of advisories are geared towards significant impacts. Many accidents/slide offs, a more continuous level of snow removal, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 What if you are driving down 95 at 70 mph and run into a squall, do you think a heads up would have helped? I guess we really don"t need any warnings, everyone for them self. I get what you are saying but some people are scared to death of winter driving and opt to stay home if snow is coming, elderly won"t go out for fear of slipping. The warning system is transitioning to impact based which it should rather than some silly scientific line in the sand. The job is to advise and protect. Not everyone is as astute as Scooter, doesn't mean they are dumb just means they like to be advised and pay for that advice. This is true, to a point. It is and should be impact based, but not to the point of desensitizing the public. There is a happy medium somewhere between over-warning and under-warning. This is percentage of time a WFO has a watch/warning/advisory in effect. 49% for SNE is a huge number. That's half the year that BOX has a headline out. I'm not saying it's the right or wrong amount of time, I'm just saying it's already a large amount of time. Adding advisories I don't think will help the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 If you want to go by day, only 83 days per year on average in SNE without some sort of headline in effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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