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12z Model Discussion 1/2/14


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Don, what is the difference between 12z GFS and 12zMOS  and which is more believable for Long Island? Thanks!

I'm not sure why the GFS is so warm for ISP. With a fresh snow cover, I suspect the temperature will probably be close to 5° +/- a few degrees for the lowest figure. There won't be any onshore winds of a sufficient magnitude to keep things as warm as the GFS suggests.

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Sorry I'm off my mobile. Def looks a bit wetter. Should be a fun time.

Thanks a lot for the play-by-play as always. I'm starting to think some places on Long Island and maybe even coastal NJ may approach a foot given the trends today-more development closer to the coast and the banding which models are keying in on for tomorrow morning. There might be a kind of "shadow" north of here into CT if the heavier banding doesn't make it there, but still should be some impressive totals and conditions across the board.

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For those who are also keeping track of the upcoming cold during and just after the snowstorm, the following are the lowest temperatures forecast for the 1/3-4 period by the 12z GFS and its MOS:

 

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Comparing Islip and NYC GFS (Islip 12 degrees warmer than NYC) and MOS(NYC 8 degrees warmer than Islip), I would think with CAA, temperature comparisons should be much more uniform.

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For those who are also keeping track of the upcoming cold during and just after the snowstorm, the following are the lowest temperatures forecast for the 1/3-4 period by the 12z GFS and its MOS:

 

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That MOS is actually 10 degrees warmer for NYC than the actual GFS. This is why Upton and the news outlets has been forecasting 9 degrees for the low for NYC for 3 straight days. Which number do you think is more accurate for NYC?

 

If the -1 pans out, then there should be Wind Chill Advisories for NYC. When was the last time NYC had a Wind Chill Advisory. It seems like it's been at least a decade or more.

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I think the column with GFS temps. is ripped straight from model text output whereas the MOS massages those numbers using climo and known microscale nuances.

 

FOK can do really well if the winds go calm for a few hours before sunrise.

WESTHAMPTON BEACH    KFOK   GFS MOS GUIDANCE    1/02/2014  1200 UTC                       DT /JAN   2/JAN   3                /JAN   4                /JAN   5  HR   18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 06 12  N/X                    15          18          -6          31    24  TMP  33 32 33 35 35 33 26 15 15 16  9  3 -1 -3  0 23 29 28 26 29 28  DPT  27 26 24 25 24 21 14  8  5  1 -3 -9-10 -9 -5  6 10 14 16 20 22  CLD  OV OV OV OV OV OV OV OV CL CL CL CL CL SC CL CL CL CL FW CL BK  WDR  04 03 03 03 02 01 35 34 33 33 34 34 34 32 00 24 22 21 21 22 23  WSP  12 12 18 20 20 21 24 22 20 15 10 06 03 01 00 06 08 07 07 06 04 
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That MOS is actually 10 degrees warmer for NYC than the actual GFS. This is why Upton and the news outlets has been forecasting 9 degrees for the low for NYC for 3 straight days. Which number do you think is more accurate for NYC?

 

If the -1 pans out, then there should be Wind Chill Advisories for NYC. When was the last time NYC had a Wind Chill Advisory. It seems like it's been at least a decade or more.

I believe a number closer to 4° or 5° is more likely than the 9° figure.

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