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Interesting breakdown, the 6z nam looks very similar to the evolution you describe here. It will be interesting to see how backed the surface winds are by the late afternoon, though even sw - ssw winds suggest some nice directional shear in this setup. The srefs also seems to suggest quite a fine line between a nice setup and a lacking one to the southwest within the most unstable atmosphere

The ECMWF and to some extent the GFS seem to also have ths evening cluster too. In the morning, the quick arrival of the anticyclonic vorticity advection / building ridge should keep the timing on the faster side but these morning systems can be fickle.

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So it sounds like maybe the best threat may not be in the true warm sector where it gets into the 90's but in areas a bit farther north along and just south of where the boundary sets up

Yes and as others have pointed out this can be a classic setup. So while I am (once again) burning up here in C NJ likely watching distant anvils to the north, CT / N NJ / SE NY will be seeing something good.

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Yes and as others have pointed out this can be a classic setup. So while I am (once again) burning up here in C NJ likely watching distant anvils to the north, CT / N NJ / SE NY will be seeing something good.

Hopefully you are in on the action, but if not A quick car ride from Trenton up to Hackettstown may be in order
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Hopefully you are in on the action, but if not A quick car ride from Trenton up to Hackettstown may be in order

There is nothing "quick" about a car ride from TTN to Hackettstown. After tonight's data, maybe I can work something out tomorrow if it really looks promising that N NJ can get in on the action. The ultimate kick in the balls would be to drive through that nightmare only to then watch anvils from N NJ, lol.

I've had more anvils / mammatus this year than downpours.

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There is nothing "quick" about a car ride from TTN to Hackettstown. After tonight's data, maybe I can work something out tomorrow if it really looks promising that N NJ can get in on the action. The ultimate kick in the balls would be to drive through that nightmare only to then watch anvils from N NJ, lol.

I've had more anvils / mammatus this year than downpours.

I lived the first 7 years of my life in Hightstown/East Windsor , NJ, and my grandparents lived in Hackettstown ( still have cousins aunts uncles there too) so know the ride well. It's a different world in NW Jersey for sure
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I lived the first 7 years of my life in Hightstown/East Windsor , NJ, and my grandparents lived in Hackettstown ( still have cousins aunts uncles there too) so know the ride well. It's a different world in NW Jersey for sure

Agreed. It is more ideal to get a thunderstorm to come through NW NJ than it is N-C or NE NJ for viewing purposes. The traffic from C to N NJ is just ridiculous and this would have to be planned out ahead of time (not an easy task). Also, I am in the Rt. 18 / Monmouth-Middlesex area this week and that can only increase the insanity.

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A lot of moving pieces here. If I had to target one area it would be SE NY, NE PA, NW NJ with the best chance for seeing something significant. Not sure what will develop during the day here in CT after the morning MCS/rain moves through along the front. It's going to be a challenging forecast. Tornado threat is certainly there though so we'll have to watch closely.

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Agreed. It is more ideal to get a thunderstorm to come through NW NJ than it is N-C or NE NJ for viewing purposes. The traffic from C to N NJ is just ridiculous and this would have to be planned out ahead of time (not an easy task). Also, I am in the Rt. 18 / Monmouth-Middlesex area this week and that can only increase the insanity.

Do you know of any good/scenic spots for viewing up there? I'm strongly considering making the trip up if we can get some significant wind producers tomorrow (which i think is becoming increasingly likely). It looks like my area will be close enough to hear the thunder while the storms move along the height gradient just to my north.

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There is nothing "quick" about a car ride from TTN to Hackettstown. After tonight's data, maybe I can work something out tomorrow if it really looks promising that N NJ can get in on the action. The ultimate kick in the balls would be to drive through that nightmare only to then watch anvils from N NJ, lol.

I've had more anvils / mammatus this year than downpours.

Well at least thats pretty cool lol...I thought you were even missing out on those. I know you were missed by a matter of miles with the 2 severe complexes on the derecho day...and what, you don't like driving up to Hackettstown?? lol.

Anyhow, things do look strongly capped in the warm sector prior to the 4-7 pm timeframe on the nam. It's not a classic EML as its in the 900-600mb layer, but it seems to serve a similar purpose (unless lower surface dews start mixing down, which would probably be limited with a good moisture return on sw wind..the more southerly, the better in more ways than one).

EWR nam bufkits for 4pm and then 6pm:

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It's going to be painful watching the clouds break tomorrow afternoon around here. The NAM keeps us sort of meh until after 18z when instability skyrockets. I think along that boundary we're going to see some good stuff.

Could be quite a difference within CT--SW areas being hot/humid and missing the overnight rains while NE CT is cool and damp for alot longer

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Do you know of any good/scenic spots for viewing up there? I'm strongly considering making the trip up if we can get some significant wind producers tomorrow (which i think is becoming increasingly likely). It looks like my area will be close enough to hear the thunder while the storms move along the height gradient just to my north.

Maybe Chris can chime in here because I am not that familar with the area. I know there are open farm areas in Warren County in Mansfield and also if you head west toward White TWP. The problem is that there are numerous areas in NW NJ where trees are extensive. I know Mount Olive has a few good spots too.

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Could be quite a difference within CT--SW areas being hot/humid and missing the overnight rains while NE CT is cool and damp for alot longer

Yeah once you get northeast of HFD I think things get sort of meh. This has a CT River Valley/Litchfield Hills/Fairfield Co look to me.

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It's going to be painful watching the clouds break tomorrow afternoon around here. The NAM keeps us sort of meh until after 18z when instability skyrockets. I think along that boundary we're going to see some good stuff.

From what HM says, we don't need much/if any sun tomorrow for a shot..Just need to be near the boundary which we will be..We may actually be better off not getting into the high heat

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Well at least thats pretty cool lol...I thought you were even missing out on those. I know you were missed by a matter of miles with the 2 severe complexes on the derecho day...and what, you don't like driving up to Hackettstown?? lol.

Anyhow, things do look strongly capped in the warm sector prior to the 4-7 pm timeframe on the nam. It's not a classic EML as its in the 900-600mb layer, but it seems to serve a similar purpose (unless lower surface dews start mixing down, which would probably be limited with a good moisture return on sw wind..the more southerly, the better in more ways than one).

EWR nam bufkits for 4pm and then 6pm:

My cell phone is filled with boring mammatus pictures this year! lol

Yes, yesterday I was talking about the pros/cons with a lower latitude EML. The good news is that this type of cap can easily break and the EWR bufkit shows that nicely.

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From what HM says, we don't need much/if any sun tomorrow for a shot..Just need to be near the boundary which we will be..We may actually be better off not getting into the high heat

While it won't need to be in the 90s you will need to detabilize to erode the low level CIN (which the models yesterday were showing to be an issue). I think W CT/SE NY look much better than NE CT.

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