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Who's in for the snow chase of a lifetime?


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I'm starting to plan a trip next winter to spend 10 days sucking snowflakes in Valdez,AK. I would hold off buying the ticket until it was clear I was going in a very snowy period. But they've had 103 inches so far this month, 75 otg officially....I think it snows there. Who's in?

I'd love to spend a winter in Valdez, but, like you said, it's hard to know ahead of time when any place would get a snowy period. Plenty of mountains and ski resorts even in the lower 48 average as much or more than Valdez (including Jay Peak in Vermont).

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Was looking at the METARs from some of their big events...lol at this stretch on Jan 5.

METAR PAVD 052056Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M08/M09 A2952 RMK AO1 2047Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 14004KT 57014 PNO

METAR PAVD 052116Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M08/M10 A2952 RMK AO1 2047Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 14004KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052136Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M08/M11 A2951 RMK AO1 2047Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 14004KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052156Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M08/M11 A2950 RMK AO1 2147Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 01005KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052216Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M08/M09 A2948 RMK AO1 2147Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 01005KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052236Z 24003KT M1/4SM VV000 M07/M08 A2948 RMK AO1 2147Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 01005KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052256Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M07/M08 A2947 RMK AO1 2247Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052316Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M07/M09 A2945 RMK AO1 2247Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052336Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M07/M09 A2944 RMK AO1 2247Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT PNO

METAR PAVD 052356Z 27005KT M1/4SM VV000 M06/M08 A2944 RMK AO1 2347Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT 11060 21080 410601120 57027 PNO

METAR PAVD 060016Z 28007KT M1/4SM VV000 M06/M06 A2946 RMK AO1 2347Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT PNO

METAR PAVD 060036Z 01006KT M1/4SM VV000 M05/M06 A2949 RMK AO1 2347Z WEA: +SN TWR WND 00000KT PNO

METAR PAVD 060056Z 23003G18KT M1/4SM VV000 M05/M07 A2954 RMK AO1 0047Z WEA: +SN PRESRR TWR WND 16011KT 130V190 PNO

METAR PAVD 060116Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M06/M08 A2955 RMK AO1 0047Z WEA: +SN PRESRR TWR WND 16011KT 130V190 PNO

METAR PAVD 060136Z 00000KT M1/4SM VV000 M05/M08 A2955 RMK AO1 0047Z WEA: +SN PRESRR TWR WND 16011KT 130V190 PNO

Getting M1/4 visibilities on an AWOS for 6 hours with 0 ceiling is insane. You probably wouldn't have seen your hand extended out in front of you. lol

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If you want consistent, practically non-stop snows, travel to the "snow country" of Japan -- the western provinces of the main island (Honshu). It's Japan's equivalent of our lake-effect snows as cold air sweeps down from Siberia, picks up moisture over the Sea of Japan, then dumps it on those provinces. Very consistent climatic feature there and it's like having non-stop snow guns on full blast for months.

Indeed, I really like the setup along the western regions of both Honshu and Hokkaido; it very much reminds me of the way things are in the Northern Greens with the constant snowfall, snowy ski towns etc. Of course with the ocean there, those areas of Japan get even more snow than we do here with only the Great Lakes to help out – it sounds like snowfall for the mountains in the Myoko area (population 40,000) is a bit over 500”, and down in the city of Sapporo I see that it’s around 250”, but that’s a big city (population ~1,900,000 and site of the 1972 Olympics). Based on the theme of this thread, and quotes like the one from Mark:

“I like the fact that it has a small town life. Nothing liking walking the streets of a small town with 6 feet on the ground and 3/hour coming down....stroll into a cafe, warm up, walk some more!”

I’m surprised I didn’t pass along the image below from Myoko, although I think I had the impression that the focus was Alaska at that point. Anyway, I had the Grant Gunderson shot below as my desktop for a couple of weeks in mid December as a little taste of home-style upslope snow scenery while we waited for things to get fired up for the season. We’ve had a couple of small/moderate events come through, but for the most part we’re still waiting to see if anything develops this season - now that I think of it I may just have to fire up the image on my desktop again:

GrantGundersonMyoko.jpg

I put plenty of stock in Fozz’ comment from above as well though; weather is fickle and coordinating big trips to hit it can be tough. One can certainly nail stuff if they can fly last minute, but trying to plan too far ahead on good snow is a gamble as many skiers know. Considering the Northern Greens, the associated ski resorts, and the surrounding villages, most folks in this subforum are pretty lucky to be only a few hours away from what is certainly one of the great snow pockets in the lower 48. Obviously those leeward areas of the Great Lakes are another key location, although, it’s more distant from SNE and not quite the same scene. This season has clearly been lean on the usual multi-foot snowfall events, but a three-hour drive on the interstate is certainly something to consider on short notice when things line up – depending on how localized the event, travel wouldn’t even be hampered most of the way. The street signs and overall feel certainly won’t be quite as exotic as a trip to Japan, or even Alaska, but Powderfreak can attest to the fact that scenes like the one above aren’t all that uncommon around here most seasons.

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Under 700 rt to anchorage. Pete...should I just drive to valdez or spend the extra 400 and fly there?

It's a long drive but breathtaking. Flying is the way to go in AK. The things you'll see from the air will be beyond compare. Plus you get an adrenaline kick for the duration of the flight.

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That video that Ginx posted is jaw dropping...with the granite-like blocks of snow being shoved off of roofs and the snow in that woman's house. I hate to say it...but after that much...I'd probably be sick of it. 340" of what is wet snow? unreal. Valdez had over 16" of water and 152" of snow in December...only a little bit was rain.

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I've seen a 25 foot snow pack at my Aunt's in the Sierra Nevada (more higher up on the mountain)...and experienced 67" in less than 30 hours there. Its pretty unbelievable but certainly doesn't have the same feel as when you get a blizzard back here in populated areas. Their life is geared toward snow and its very sparsely populated...so I have always thought the disruption of snow in a heavily populated area was more impressive to watch.

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I've seen a 25 foot snow pack at my Aunt's in the Sierra Nevada (more higher up on the mountain)...and experienced 67" in less than 30 hours there. Its pretty unbelievable but certainly doesn't have the same feel as when you get a blizzard back here in populated areas. Their life is geared toward snow and its very sparsely populated...so I have always thought the disruption of snow in a heavily populated area was more impressive to watch.

>>>Ray<<< No one cares about the Sierra Nevadas ><>>Ray<<<

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I've seen a 25 foot snow pack at my Aunt's in the Sierra Nevada (more higher up on the mountain)...and experienced 67" in less than 30 hours there. Its pretty unbelievable but certainly doesn't have the same feel as when you get a blizzard back here in populated areas. Their life is geared toward snow and its very sparsely populated...so I have always thought the disruption of snow in a heavily populated area was more impressive to watch.

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RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE VALDEZ AK

244 PM AKST TUE FEB 28 2012

...FEBRUARY SNOW DEPTH RECORD SHATTERED MONDAY MORNING...

THE DEPTH OF SNOW ON THE GROUND ON MONDAY MORNING WAS A

RECORD-BREAKING 97" IN VALDEZ NEW TOWN..UP FROM THE 88" OF SNOW

ON THE GROUND THE PREVIOUS DAY DUE TO A SNOW STORM OVER THE

WEEKEND THAT DROPPED OVER 26" ON VALDEZ..AND BROUGHT THE

SEASONAL TOTAL OF SNOWFALL UP PAST 400"..TO 403.9"..THROUGH

LATE MONDAY NIGHT. THE PREVIOUS SNOW DEPTH RECORD FOR FEBRUARY

OCCURRED IN THE MULTI-RECORD SETTING SEASON OF 1989-1990. THE

RECORD VALUE FOR FEBRUARY WAS 94"..WHICH WAS MEASURED ON BOTH

THE 27TH AND THE 28TH OF FEBRUARY IN 1990.

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A year ago, in a sub part winter with below normal snow, depth was still 26 inches.

Yep...it's remarkable. It's never a question of whether there will be a lot snow on the ground this time of year...it's just how deep will it be!

Also, see this from Anchorage:

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ANCHORAGE AK

500 AM AKST SAT MAR 3 2012

..THIS WINTER IS NOW THE 3RD SNOWIEST ON RECORD FOR ANCHORAGE

AS OF 3 AM SATURDAY MORNING THE SEASONAL SNOWFALL IN ANCHORAGE

REACHED 121.8 INCHES. THIS PASSES THE 121.5 INCHES OF THE 1994-1995

SEASON THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THIRD PLACE. THE 132.8 INCHES IN THE

WINTER OF 1954-1955 IS THE MOST ON RECORD.

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