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Moving on to mid/late November


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-PNA does not allow sustained cold until After Dec 1. Transient cool shots, one just before Tday, another just after.............everything collapses se early December, potential for heavy snows inland all month, CP is a step down process, expect at least one or two coastal huggers or an inside runner, set up the blocking 50/50 game on for Xmas, deep snowpack. Quick hitting winter, Jan icebox followed by Feb thaw, NINA climo Summer starts early in March. But big big snow and cold Dec 5-Feb1st.

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The euro op does try to cool us off after day 7 or 8, but doesn't really have ensemble support right now. It could be one of those transient shots we talked about. We'll probably have some step downs that occur before T-Day with ups and downs before any possible long term change.

The important thing is western and even southern Canada is pretty cold.

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The euro op does try to cool us off after day 7 or 8, but doesn't really have ensemble support right now. It could be one of those transient shots we talked about. We'll probably have some step downs that occur before T-Day with ups and downs before any possible long term change.

The important thing is western and even southern Canada is pretty cold.

The euro op and the ensembles aren't far off at day 8 or so, but the euro op is more bullish with the EPO and NAO hence a little more colder. EC ensembles also have a good se ridge. 12z EC ensembles will be interesting.

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The euro op does try to cool us off after day 7 or 8, but doesn't really have ensemble support right now. It could be one of those transient shots we talked about. We'll probably have some step downs that occur before T-Day with ups and downs before any possible long term change.

The important thing is western and even southern Canada is pretty cold.

GFS does this same thing.. torch.. cold shot.. torch

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GFS does this same thing.. torch.. cold shot.. torch

Like Scooter said step down, and if you like snow and cold, dont be upset to see a couple cutters or inside runners.....................these could potentially set up the right pattern for December. 50/50 blocking etc.

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Like Scooter said step down, and if you like snow and cold, dont be upset to see a couple cutters or inside runners.....................these could potentially set up the right pattern for December. 50/50 blocking etc.

I'm not upset at all.. I'm ready for a month of snooze

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Like Scooter said step down, and if you like snow and cold, dont be upset to see a couple cutters or inside runners.....................these could potentially set up the right pattern for December. 50/50 blocking etc.

We'll probably have a few cutters coming up including next week. We had them last December too and everyone was crying about a possible lousy winter.

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The euro op does try to cool us off after day 7 or 8, but doesn't really have ensemble support right now. It could be one of those transient shots we talked about. We'll probably have some step downs that occur before T-Day with ups and downs before any possible long term change.

The important thing is western and even southern Canada is pretty cold.

Sounds like typical November weather..no surprise here

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if you run through this loop, especially early on, you can see the terrific transport of cold air from russia into the conus. unfortunately for us it's the northwest us in this setup. it then shifts eastward over south/southeast canada but the southeast/western atlantic ridge is still well established.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ENSHGTAVGNH_12z/ensloopmref.html

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The euro op does try to cool us off after day 7 or 8, but doesn't really have ensemble support right now. It could be one of those transient shots we talked about. We'll probably have some step downs that occur before T-Day with ups and downs before any possible long term change.

The important thing is western and even southern Canada is pretty cold.

getting flat out frigid with time.

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getting flat out frigid with time.

Sure is. It does seem like that if we had that pattern a month or more from now..it likely would be a colder regime, as wavelengths would probably be larger. With smaller wavelengths now...we have lots of ridges and troughs.

Maybe not...but something I thought about.

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i'd rather see that frigid cold build in n/w/c canada for now. conducive to a good snow pack and solid source region later on. no sense in having it drop down into the lower 48 and modify into 45F daytime highs.

Agreed....that's why I would rather it wait until December. Let the snow build up in Canada...it needs to.

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I think all of us on the east coast need to begrudgingly accept that the cold air/pattern change is gonna' wait until Thanksgiving-12/1

of course, one of you lucky bums in the hills may get a fluke before then

You are very correct, T-day seems spot on. No doubt now that much colder regime will invade. The dam is building, it will break as the Turkey roasts. Good times coming up. enjoy the :sizzle: while you can.

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