ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 There's definitely a disconnect with those who use departures to classify "warm" vs "cold" and those that just use the real feel. I mean 40s in January still feels "cool" but its a torch. I always use the departures because that's the only way you can compare places of different elevations and climates. If every site in New England has a positive departure for a month, there's no way it can be a "cool" month just because you didn't hit 85F or something. I mean, how can I compare Mansfield's summit with Burlington or something like that? Departures from normal is the only way. Today was a +10F here... overnight low normal is 52F, this morning only got down to 62F. That's a good way to get a positive departure before you even start the day, regardless of the high. But we hit 82F up here today, another 8-10F above normal. That's a torch... and I don't spin the weather. I'm sure everyone had a positive departure today. All reporting staions, Chester Hill, Peru, Shaw's Pond, MPM's house , my house all were within 2-3 degrees of each other (74-77). All are correctly sited, none are sheltered by a canopy of trees. For someone that works in the sun everyday dawn to dusk an August that features only 2 80 degree days is certainly on the cool side. Nightime positive departures in the Summer mean little to me. 60's instead of 50's doesn't impact sleep, in fact other than plant growth rates they have little effect. Departures from normal don't tell the whole story and this August's departures, minor as they may have been, were driven largely by elevated overnight lows. I couldn't care any less whether BDL or ORH or any other place has a + departure, I have no need to compare my temps to other areas. I've been through 46 summers now and I know when a summer is a torch, this has not been a torch summer. BTW, 40's in January is t-shirt weather on a construction site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It was still too warm for me. But of course anything over 70 is too warm for me. Seasonable month overall though if you ask me. All reporting staions, Chester Hill, Peru, Shaw's Pond, MPM's house , my house all were within 2-3 degrees of each other (74-77). All are correctly sited, none are sheltered by a canopy of trees. For someone that works in the sun everyday dawn to dusk an August that features only 2 80 degree days is certainly on the cool side. Nightime positive departures in the Summer mean little to me. 60's instead of 50's doesn't impact sleep, in fact other than plant growth rates they have little effect. Departures from normal don't tell the whole story and this August's departures, minor as they may have been, were driven largely by elevated overnight lows. I couldn't care any less whether BDL or ORH or any other place has a + departure, I have no need to compare my temps to other areas. I've been through 46 summers now and I know when a summer is a torch, this has not been a torch summer. BTW, 40's in January is t-shirt weather on a construction site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It was still too warm for me. But of course anything over 70 is too warm for me. Seasonable month overall though if you ask me. I agree, no HHH weather to speak of and 9 days with highs remaining in the 60's works for me. Can't imagine there is much of a positive departure there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I agree, no HHH weather to speak of and 9 days with highs remaining in the 60's works for me. Can't imagine there is much of a positive departure there. Wait, so what do you think about this summer? Was it too hot for you? I'm a little confused about your position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It had to be within 1C of normal either way... That's seasonable because there is no such thing as precisely normal wx. Obviously exceedingly wetter than normal. One of the last muggy nights tonight. 68/65 here. Maybe I should embrace it since it represents the last fleeting moments of yet another summer. Monday's fropa pretty much ends Summer wx probably. And kids back to school, last day of Saratoga, etc..... I agree, no HHH weather to speak of and 9 days with highs remaining in the 60's works for me. Can't imagine there is much of a positive departure there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It was a two week summer ...in terms of heat here... The rest was normal and at times a bit below. The two weeks of heat pushed July a bit above normal. It's kinda liked rating something by "average" or "median". If you take the 90 days and do an average temp maybe you yield just a smidgen above normal. But if you take each day and look at the median, most of the time it was not hot this summer. Wait, so what do you think about this summer? Was it too hot for you? I'm a little confused about your position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It was a two week summer ...in terms of heat here... The rest was normal and at times a bit below. The two weeks of heat pushed July a bit above normal. It's kinda liked rating something by "average" or "median". If you take the 90 days and do an average temp maybe you yield just a smidgen above normal. But if you take each day and look at the median, most of the time it was not hot this summer. If you take out the 6 major snowstorms last winter...I received less then 20" of snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Wait, so what do you think about this summer? Was it too hot for you? I'm a little confused about your position... This is normal for children.As you get older you'll start to see things more clearly. If you take out the 6 major snowstorms last winter...I received less then 20" of snow Whoosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 This is normal for children.As you get older you'll start to see things more clearly. Whoosh. I knew you would say this even though you know I was being sarcastic. Predictable. lol, I know that the overall summer felt normal. But, like Will says you can't just say "besides this day" to verify something. Without the 1/12 storm I would have been right around snowfall average last year. Instead, I was around 20" above normal. I can't just eliminate that storm and say it was a normal winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Dear God, what happened in here?lol still arguing about temps>>well it was a perfect summer day, its humid, sticky and delightful, night all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 All reporting staions, Chester Hill, Peru, Shaw's Pond, MPM's house , my house all were within 2-3 degrees of each other (74-77). All are correctly sited, none are sheltered by a canopy of trees. For someone that works in the sun everyday dawn to dusk an August that features only 2 80 degree days is certainly on the cool side. Nightime positive departures in the Summer mean little to me. 60's instead of 50's doesn't impact sleep, in fact other than plant growth rates they have little effect. Departures from normal don't tell the whole story and this August's departures, minor as they may have been, were driven largely by elevated overnight lows. I couldn't care any less whether BDL or ORH or any other place has a + departure, I have no need to compare my temps to other areas. I've been through 46 summers now and I know when a summer is a torch, this has not been a torch summer. BTW, 40's in January is t-shirt weather on a construction site. Using your criteria it's fair to say that the 80 degree reading recorded at 1450' in Goshen is incorrect even though it is much closer to you than 3 of those sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Using your criteria it's fair to say that the 80 degree reading recorded at 1450' in Goshen is incorrect even though it is much closer to you than 3 of those sites. Goshen's site spikes in the afternoon sometimes wildly so. It's often warmer than valley locations. I'll take the 5 other regional obs that were all very tightly grouped and say that Goshen was once again an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I knew you would say this even though you know I was being sarcastic. Predictable. lol, I know that the overall summer felt normal. But, like Will says you can't just say "besides this day" to verify something. Without the 1/12 storm I would have been right around snowfall average last year. Instead, I was around 20" above normal. I can't just eliminate that storm and say it was a normal winter. I knew you knew that I was going say something like that. I did it because children like repetition, it is comforting to them, it helps them make sense of a confusing world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 65/63, night all, think snowy thoughts. ps. Ryan go to bed and don't forget to brush your teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 My meaning with the "median" comment was this. I do not know what the data was ..... But here is a example to illustrate my point.....not based on true data because I am too lazy to compute it: What if you had 92 days of Summer. The average temperature came out to +0.7C. But then you take the 92 days and you find that 20 days were above normal, 32 days were within 1C of normal (i.e. a normal day), and 40 days were below normal. The median day was somewhat below normal. So how should one have perceived the summer overall? and what is really relevant to the average person? I knew you would say this even though you know I was being sarcastic. Predictable. lol, I know that the overall summer felt normal. But, like Will says you can't just say "besides this day" to verify something. Without the 1/12 storm I would have been right around snowfall average last year. Instead, I was around 20" above normal. I can't just eliminate that storm and say it was a normal winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 My meaning with the "median" comment was this. I do not know what the data was ..... But here is a example to illustrate my point.....not based on true data because I am too lazy to compute it: What if you had 92 days of Summer. The average temperature came out to +0.7C. But then you take the 92 days and you find that 20 days were above normal, 32 days were within 1C of normal (i.e. a normal day), and 40 days were below normal. The median day was somewhat below normal. So how should one have perceived the summer overall? and what is really relevant to the average person? I understand your point...it all depends on the person...and what you constitute as "normal." Besides an anomalous summer like '09 or even '10 ('09 of course much cooler, and '10 hot) the public cannot tell the difference anyway. Only people who study the stats day in and day out can tell the difference. Most could tell that 2009 was cool and rainy, and 2010 was hot, but very few people would say much about 2007, 2008, or 2011. All within 1C of average as you say, so all very close to and within the range of "normal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Winter in terms of human perceptions ...is a whole other ball game. People rate winters around here by snowstorms even more than temps. Yeah it could be 2 or 3 C above normal and if there were a number of bad snowstorms I guarantee the average person would be convinced they had a rough winter. If you take out the 6 major snowstorms last winter...I received less then 20" of snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Winter in terms of human perceptions ...is a whole other ball game. People rate winters around here by snowstorms even more than temps. Yeah it could be 2 or 3 C above normal and if there were a number of bad snowstorms I guarantee the average person would be convinced they had a rough winter. Right...we're talking about two different things...perception and stats. I agree winters are rated by the public on those 5-10 days of major snowstorms, not on the days of 24F and partly cloudy or 19F overcast and flurries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It was still too warm for me. But of course anything over 70 31.9 is too warm for me. Seasonable month overall though if you ask me. Totally agree, which makes the 65.5/65 reading at 5:45 so sucky. Lots of fog out there and I can hear dripping on the deck and leaves. I'm not sure if it's just droplets ofo fox or if we got a light shower--nothing recorded in the bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 75/66 mid summer type humidity, swampy swampy swampy, should be a beatiful warm torchy swampy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 68/68, fog, looks like a beautiful week of cool fall temps on tap with highs daily in the 60's. Too bad for the summer lovers that it all coming to an abrupt end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Frost and foliage in September anywhere in SNE??? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Frost and foliage in September anywhere in SNE??? lol I should see my first frost in the next 2 weeks if history is a guide. Last 2 years were Sept 17 and 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I should see my first frost in the next 2 weeks if history is a guide. Last 2 years were Sept 17 and 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Sept 2010 at Charlemont a few miles from here. I can't get Ashfield's data which closely mirrors my lows but Charemoont is close as well. Sure looks like it's just impossible to frost here in Sept. Oh, wait, it happens nearly EVERY YEAR!!! This Month's Tabular Data 2010Temp. (°F)Dew Point (°F)Humidity (%)Sea Level Pressure (in)Visibility (mi)Wind (mph)Precip (in)Sephighavglowhighavglowhighavglowhighavglowhighavglowhighavggustsum186 73 62 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 279 66 56 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 374 64 55 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 477 67 53 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 569 60 49 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 678 64 46 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 788 67 51 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 879 66 56 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.04 964 60 44 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.02 1063 56 28 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 1175 53 33 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 1260 48 35 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 1351 44 41 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 1466 52 44 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 1565 48 33 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.01 1669 51 31 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.41 1764 56 41 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.32 1863 46 27 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.01 1969 54 38 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2058 47 33 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2161 42 28 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2282 57 31 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2372 60 41 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2481 64 52 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2567 55 46 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2661 49 35 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.00 2756 48 40 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.39 2867 54 45 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.83 2973 61 49 -100 -100 -100 0 0 100 0.00 - 40.00 - - - 0 - 0 0.14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Manky 68/67 with no breeze I hate humidity...but whatever. When with the fog and overcast burn off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 "Beware of the moors, Lads. Stick to the roads". That's what was going through my mind as I ran through total pea soup fog. At least the humidity was tempered by (at least so far) moderate temps. Temp has risen all of .8* off the overnight low. Will need the sun to come through if 80* is going to drop. 65.9/65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 "Beware of the moors, Lads. Stick to the roads". That's what was going through my mind as I ran through total pea soup fog. At least the humidity was tempered by (at least so far) moderate temps. Temp has risen all of .8* off the overnight low. Will need the sun to come through if 80* is going to drop. 65.9/65 I should Netflix that. Been a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Frost and foliage in September anywhere in SNE??? lol Did you catch d10 on last night's Euro? There's some cold air lurking to our N-NE that is just waiting to backdoor in at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 75/70 ... disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.