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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
are they experiencing a snow drought in Toronto like Seattle has been? -
December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
in Jan 94 we had two arctic outbreaks that went to 0 or below, I remember there was one where we went from 0 for the low to 32 for the high at the next midnight and then a 55 high the next day as a screaming sou'easter blew through..... -
December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
How come no one has posted the last PNS from the storm? I cant find it anywhere. 7.8 sounds good for SW Nassau- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
yes even though we're south of sunrise highway we're still a lot better than the barrier islands! I had between 7 and 8 here- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
why not just use the rainfall totals and apply a snowfall ratio to them depending on the temp and you can get an estimated snowfall total based on that? or you can use radar to estimate snowfall totals just like you can do with rainfall?- 1,011 replies
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it was really good but not historic across long island.....J01232016 was historic across a wide swath of the region ;-)
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I always point to that storm when people say that a storm cutting across Long Island cant be all snow here.
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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
Not to mention that 2020 has a chance to be the warmest year on record globally. By the way, now you're going to be hardpressed to find anyone who doesn't agree that a snowless October-November is good for December snows (and perhaps winter as a whole), you and I have been discussing a possible mechanism for this and a reason why this may be and I tend to agree with your theory that the pattern needs some time to "recover and reload" after a wintry event so perhaps a late October or November event portends badly for December and perhaps for winter as a whole because of this. Remember it took us until mid February to recover enough from A11072012 to get to N02082013 on the east coast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2012_nor'easter A mid-level shortwave over the Midwestern United States was moving eastward on November 6, just four days after Hurricane Sandy dissipated, toward a trough over the Southeastern United States, and into an area with abundant moisture and favorable conditions from the jet stream. The combination was favorable for a nor'easter to form,[3] and on November 7, a strong low pressure area developed along the coast of North Carolina.[4] At the time, there was an area of cold air inland the Mid-Atlantic States and New England that would allow the precipitation to fall as snow.[5] By November 8, the system drifting to the northeast, located about 90 mi (140 km) south-southeast of Boston, Massachusetts, with a front extending northeastward to Nova Scotia. Its large circulation dropped rain and snow across the northeastern United States.[6] Some areas within NYC, got close to a foot of snow across Western Long Island, including Eastern Queens County in a narrow snow band that set up because of the coastal front. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_February_2013_North_American_blizzard The Early February 2013 North American blizzard was a powerful blizzard that developed from the combination of two areas of low pressure,[5] primarily affecting the Northeastern United States and parts of Canada, causing heavy snowfall and hurricane-force winds. The storm crossed the Atlantic Ocean, affecting Ireland and the United Kingdom.[6] The nor'easter's effects in the United States received a Category 3 rank on the Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale, classifying it as a "Major" Winter Storm. -
31 inches at JFK and 34 inches in Jackson Heights from J01232016 (according to my new naming system for these storms, J signifies the 10th winter storm warning event of the season nationwide, and the numbers signify the date of course), that storm was characterized by a large swath of 30+ totals west to east, including Allentown, PA and Morristown, NY all the way to JFK and Oceanside west to east. The other storm you are thinking of is N02082013 (N signifies it was the 14th winter storm warning storm of that season nationwide and I just looked up the date since I didn't remember it lol), this was the storm that dropped 40" across parts of coastal CT and 38" on eastern LI. There have been other 30"+ storms in that region but this was the biggest for them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_February_2013_North_American_blizzard The Early February 2013 North American blizzard was a powerful blizzard that developed from the combination of two areas of low pressure,[5] primarily affecting the Northeastern United States and parts of Canada, causing heavy snowfall and hurricane-force winds. The storm crossed the Atlantic Ocean, affecting Ireland and the United Kingdom.[6] The nor'easter's effects in the United States received a Category 3 rank on the Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale, classifying it as a "Major" Winter Storm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2016_United_States_blizzard The January 2016 United States blizzard was a crippling and historic blizzard that produced up to 3 ft (91 cm) of snow in parts of the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast United States from January 22–24, 2016. Evolving from a shortwave trough that formed in the Pacific Northwest on January 19, the system consolidated into a defined low-pressure area on January 21 over Texas. Regarding it as a "potentially historic blizzard", meteorologists indicated the storm could produce more than 2 ft (61 cm) of snow across a wide swath of the Mid-Atlantic region and could "paralyze the eastern third of the nation"
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not to mention the LIE shutdown blizzard of Feb 2013
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remember what happened in the subways during and after the Boxing Day Blizzard?
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I saw the ratios at Binghamton were 14:1 and they had about 3" of qpf, I think we could do 30" but not 40"+.... and we've done 30" before so we know thats possible, but not 40"
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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
that was the BECS of ice storms and so beautiful at the end...KPOU at one point was 3 degrees with "heavy freezing rain" WTF was going on lol We were below freezing for the entire event here. -
December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
it's made it down here too! nice big flakes coming down- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
wow it moved down here too and now we're getting higher snowfall rates again after the sun came out for awhile. I heard this is a gravity wave- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
that storm had an eye like structure and so does this one now! these abnormally warm SST we've had for a few years now must have something to do with all this.- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
looks like December 1995 was a nice analog for this storm especially in the local area.- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
yeah when it switched back to heavy snow and wind at 3:30 AM here in SW Long Island it was quite the event for a few hours.- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
sound effect, just like in Dec 1995 on the back end- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yeah two crazy things I remember....that Feb 2013 event and another event at ISLIP where they had like 13" of RAIN.- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
yes temps crashed to mid 20s before 4 am- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
yes and the mini blizzard at the back end for a few hours was quite the spectacle!- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
I think the JFK number will be between 7-8 inches we overperformed on the back end- 1,011 replies
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December 16-17, 2020 Storm Observations and Nowcast
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Feb 2013 that almost dumped 40 inches on eastern LI and CT- 1,011 replies
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