LibertyBell

I see the East Hampton HTO temps seem to be as cold or even a little colder than the Westhampton FOK temps this season.

The general idea was that the cold would come back around or right after Christmas though. I wont complain if we get a Boxing Day repeat lol.

Two big rainstorms predicted on those days Walt?

I really would have loved to see this (but all snow of course): 4.43"...17.5"...02/04-07/1920...mid 20's to low 30's...snow/ice/sleet for over 72 hours... Where is February 1961 on this list? JFK had like 3" LE and 25" of snow. JFK's number 1 for all snow is January 2016 with 3" LE and 31" of snow. Snow depth reached 30 inches here with that storm. On the above list it's number 2 for all snow, only behind Dec 1947 Intriguing thing the storms at the bottom of your list all had nearly a 20:1 ratio! Jan 2014 near the top of the list for ratios, along with Feb 1899 both are 2" above 20:1 ratios!. 1960....0.86".....15.2" Dec... 2009....0.74".....10.9" Dec... 1899....0.70".....16.0" Feb... 1916....0.59".....12.7" Dec... 1996....0.52".....10.7" Feb... 1905....0.51".....11.0" Jan... 1961....0.50"......9.9" Jan... 2014....0.48".....11.5" Jan...

One after this? There's another flooding rainstorm coming after that one?

It was a great start to the season, and probably the second best December snowstorm we've had (#1 was Boxing Day of course.) I just really love day time snowstorms lol.

Even our big winters with a couple of exceptions like 1995-96 and 2002-03 seem to be mostly concentrated in January-February.

Only real thing to fret about right now is all the money being spent on heating fuel and not getting the benefit of snow to ease the pain lol.

This happened almost every year in the 80s outside of the extreme outliers like April 1982 or February 1983. I remember TV Mets at the time explained it as the NYC metro being in an unfavorable area for snowfall. We're too tucked in to benefit from Miller B's, too far north to benefit from when Arctic air comes down and suppresses the storm track and too far south for clippers lol. So basically at the time they said NYC was in between the predominant storm tracks and that was why back then both DC and Boston were getting more snow than us lol.

I vividly remember that- I wonder what went wrong? The prediction of 6-8 inches of snow was being given by Craig Allen right up to when the storm started, as snow, and then there was a flash of lightning and it changed to rain! The other big bust from that era had occurred the previous winter- 6-8 inches was predicted and we got 6-8 inches of virga in February 1989. It looked like it was going to snow all day and nothing fell.

Question is how long will the thaw last before we get back to a cold and stormy (rather than dry) pattern.

Most of the snow is going to occur in the mountains though, those regions are well-acquainted with snow (like Boone and Asheville). Coastal regions will get nothing.

Ask him about November-December 1989 thats what this reminds me of.

I remember that year as amazingly wet and even if the 80" figure is off, it was definitely above 70"

Some temp records to add: all of these cities saw their coldest November temperatures on record, earliest below zero temps, first time below zero temps occurred in November Monticello -3 Mt Pocono -2 Syracuse -1 Sucks that Binghamton only got to 0, but 0 should be considered in the same category as the above, as it's not a single "digit." Most of the above cities had their earliest negative temperature by about two weeks! The deep snowcover helped attain that.

Yeah we really need a long break from the wet pattern, it's been really hard to rake leaves and do fall planting stuff with all this abnormal rainfall going on.

Looks like the weekend after this one will be pretty mild, 50s possible? Next chance of snow and cold coming between Christmas and New Years?

That was my favorite snowstorm of all time on many levels, intensity, duration, jackpot which rarely happens for us lol. First jackpot since PD2!. This area has been in the jackpot only three times in my life, Feb 1983, PD2 and Jan 2016- and not coincidentally all were moderate or strong el ninos! Finally no one can ever say that the Feb 1983 event was a fluke snowstorm and that you dont get such strong snowstorms in historic level el ninos- because it happened again with an even stronger el nino in Jan 2016 lol.

Something thats really interesting is that NYC even with their 150+ year period of record has never had 6 inch snowfalls in both November and December. How do you feel about comparing this month to December 2010?

It was 15 inches here but the main problem I had with it was that it occurred mostly late at night, the previous day we were waiting for the snow to get here and it was delayed and started late at night and by the time I woke up it was already gone. Parts of Suffolk County got close to 30 inches so about double what we got, then again the City got about 8 inches, which was half of what we got lol.

Looks like we picked up right where we left off last March and April

Dec 1989 lol- came after a snowy Thanksgiving too

Yeah that was the other winter I was thinking of. Dec 2010 came to mind first though.

Jan 2016 dwarfed all previous storms, though Dec 2000 was really nice too.

It might be more like December 2010 where it was cold but we just missed out on snow a few times before we got the big one in the last week of December.