LibertyBell

I remember a similar thing happened in December 2010 when we just missed out on a system that went out to sea and then after Christmas we got the big one.

LOL that is about as close to a thread the needle event as you can get. It looks like a lesser version of Jan 2016, where those both south and north of us got much less. Is that spot of 20-22 in a lt grey color in SW Monmouth the jackpot area for the entire storm ;-) It would be amazing if thats how it actually happened. Being a bit more conservative, even 10:1 ratios mean around 10-12 inches. 16 inches in that jackpot area.

I know they have permafrost in the winter, I just dont know how much it snows there. I've always wanted to see them too, and been envious of their temperature extremes. Sometimes I wish we didn't have a huge ocean like the Pacific to the west of us and North America was much larger, then maybe we'd have temperature extremes like that too. Other places to check out and keep track of are cities like Sapporo, in Japan, they have noreasters just like we do, but in the same way the West Pac sees much larger and more frequent typhoons, cities like Sapporo get much larger noreasters too. I remember seeing pictures of snow that were tens of feet high (not drifts!)

Yaktusk can get to 100 or higher in the summer and down to about -80 in the winter. The spelling of the other cities depends upon the translation, they use J and Y interchangeably, I've seen it spelled with a J too. That city gets to 90 in the summer and the lowest I have them listed for is -98 in the winter. Verkhoyansk has gotten close to 100 in the summer and -90 in the winter.

Thats a famous city- the one with the record for being the coldest city in the world and the one with the largest temperature variations. Two others that are close by, but are considered towns and not cities and are even colder, are Omyakon and Verkhoyansk. Look at their temps too.

Looks like you're getting your wish lol

He sounds like a stock market trader.

Maybe they make the same mistake some of our posters make and stick the ruler in upside down ;-)

Thats not enough I want April too ;-) 1896- was that the year with the very cold January blizzard?

It's interesting to see Lee Goldberg talk about it so early.

What exactly do you think happens to those snowflakes? "Wetting" the ground is a very subjective thing, if the snow flakes dont accumulate, they are melting, it has to be one or the other. Either they accumulate when they hit the ground or they melt. I think you're thinking of virga, which happens much higher in the atmosphere. Once you see a snowflake a few feet above the ground (let's say 6 feet- the normal height of a person) it doesn't have any room or time left to become virga, it will either hit the ground and accumulate or melt. If it's only a few snow flakes you may never notice the "wetness" but that doesn't mean that it didn't hit the ground lol. The idea of virga does bring up an interesting point though. Is it possible for someone to witness snowflakes near the top of a skyscraper (like let's say the Empire State Building) that dry up before ever hitting the ground? We know that snow can change to rain from that height, but can we also have virga from that height?

What I said is basically what's stated there lol. Of course the snow flakes hit the ground, they just melt as they hit. What you're talking about is virga and that only happens higher up in the atmosphere.

Here too, NYC came really close to breaking their all time monthly rainfall record but we ended up having a dry last 10 days to mess it up. There was 2 feet of rain in eastern LI. That was the month I had installed my digital rain gage too- what a start lol

I thought last March and April were really cold nationwide too.

Also their first 3+ inch snowstorm in a few years!

It might be better this way. The midweek system being further offshore may allow the next weekend system to really amplify.

Yes even just flakes in the air is a trace of snow. I didn't know why some misunderstood that, it's obviously not rain, whether anything sticks to the ground or not, it's still snow.

So go with the Euro as usual, Don? They have already started talking about a possible winter storm next weekend on our locals, specifically Ch 7 WABC.

Euro has the classic Monmouth/Ocean County jackpot of 20" lmao

We were close by I was at Lawrence No 1 school (4th grade at the time.) 1983 had the record for most 90 degree days prior to the 90s.

I remember the record year of 1983 which was amazing for being very hot and very rainy, we had over 80 inches total that year.

I hope it's clear for that big total eclipse coming up in January.

According to what I've been reading, it will basically be two weeks of warmth in the middle of December, which will be sandwiched by cold and snow chances at the beginning and end of the month. I would sign up for that, not only in December, but all winter long.

and snow around the 5th seems to occur more often than not, like Dec 2002

It's really crazy to see it in coastal Florida though. Out of all the places in the country, that's where I'd least expect that to happen.