LibertyBell

14 inches of rain? I think they would This set records.....

Ida for our area one could argue was a Class IV Flood Event. Sandy would be a Class III Wind Event and a Class V Surge Event. We need to switch to impact based scales.....

The scientific community knows, actually everyone knows. It's just a matter of getting companies worried about their own profits out of the way. I say let's threaten their existence the way they threaten ours. Pull no punches.....

They are talking about changing the terminology now, like "remnant"- it doesn't do an event like this justice. We're slowly going to start moving away from the Saffir Simpson scale and more towards an impact based scale, which is something I've wanted for years This would be a Class IV flood event. (Or something thereabouts.) Class V would be if the entire area got 10"+

Could've left the camera set up on a tripod. That's what I would've done.

I'm also wondering about that article you posted about the first rainfall at Summit Camp on top of the Greenland Ice Cap. What implications would higher humidity and even more rainfall have on arctic ice? Because we damn well are seeing higher dew points and higher rainfall here consistently now, so I wonder if this would increase melt rates if the same thing was happening in the polar regions (clearly it's happening since Summit Camp is well within the Arctic Circle.)

Yes this is exactly why we should have been slowly weaning off of it beginning in the 1980s..... But they didn't listen. It's like accelerating a space craft to a distant destination (possibly another star system.) You can only spend half the distance accelerating, because you need to spend an equal amount of time decelerating.

Just in terms of flooding, one would think how wet and saturated the ground is beforehand and how high the river levels were before the event would tell us what kind of an event we need for major flooding. But for top end extreme events like this one and Floyd it probably wouldn't matter they would be devastating either way.

The last time I heard about people abandoning cars like this was Boxing Day 2010.

Difference with Floyd was that came at the tail end of a major drought and super hot summer in 1999. This is the third major event of the summer. Although the damage with Floyd was horrible too, I remember seeing water rescues for people who had to climb up to their roofs to get away from the rising waters.

Was that the one that caused the first EF3 of the summer? It ripped up a Home Depot and mall.

I think this would be the second EF3 of the summer (the first one was also in the Philly area.)

Here's what confuses me.....the differences between the old Fujita and scale and the new "enhanced" Fujita scale. And from the mets I have talked to they either don't understand my question or don't understand why it was done this way either. Here's the basic question.... Instead of making an entirely new scale, why didn't they just adjust the mph ranges of the original scale? Why have old tornadoes on an outdated scale and new tornadoes on a different scale? If the original scale was modified with the new ranges wouldn't it be much better namely have all tornadoes, new and old, on the same scale?

Have there been F4 in CT and MA? I wonder how they occurred so far north?

and second EF3 down there this summer, welcome to the new Oklahoma!

Sandy?

yeah and water going through a pipeline is a lot less dangerous than oil and gas are

also the shitty fossil fuel cartels who waste a ton of water.

Yeah it's a lot better than what the agriculture industry does now out there which is pretty shitty and reckless (drill deep down to get water and destroy the environment in the process.)

That was a certified wedge tornado.....never seen one of those up here before

I saw the word "estimate" in there lol.....vs the actual reports in Walt's thread which show those "estimates" were about half of what actually happened.

uhm thats completely wrong....I've complained about JFK measurements for years.....we consistently had between 4-6 inches here on the south shore of Nassau County and Queens (just check Walt's thread on area reports)....JFK, as usual, is bullshit

Probably a lot of people crowded in together too. They probably didn't even know this was coming.

You didn't see it on July 3rd? I see that getting referenced as the last time it was this cool.

They didn't learn from Sandy. They were making the same bust calls then and only stopped when their power went out as the storm was about to make landfall.