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Been hammering this afternoon. Another 5.5” since yesterday afternoon. Snows getting deep on the High Road.

From the early going it looks likely that the NAM will come NE again.

Closer look it's actually virga. Snow looks to being in the afternoon on the model.

You had me at hello

Starting at 6 AM tomorrow its now casting time and we should stop hugging the models and use real time data and the trends

I agree with the low end criteria for warning at least being met for one to be hoisted, however I think it's because there may be so many people traveling, especially 84-81 and points west and south, maybe they want to get attention, a watch may be just ignored, just my thoughts on the reasoning

Always comes in earlier than modeled.

Does BOX have one yet for the E CT Zones?

-------- FXUS61 KOKX 251934 AFDOKX Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service New York NY 234 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 .SYNOPSIS... A cold front moves offshore through this evening. High pressure briefly returns tonight into Friday. A winter storm impacts the area late Friday into Saturday morning. A strong frontal system impacts the area late Sunday through Tuesday, with a weaker system moving through Wednesday into Thursday. && .NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/... Key Messages: * A cold front moves offshore through this evening * Much colder air moves into the region with high pressure building down from southeast Canada. Mild and breezy conditions for the rest of the afternoon will turn much colder tonight. Arctic air will advect south out of southeast Canada with high pressure building southward. Dew points will lower significantly and should be in the single digits overnight with temperatures bottoming out in the teens inland and lower 20s closer to the coast. Breezy conditions also expected this evening with gusts 25-30 mph, gradually diminishing overnight. Wind chills by early Friday will be in the single digits to lower teens closer to the coast. && .SHORT TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/... What's Changed: Winter storm watches have been converted to warnings. A winter storm warning has been issued for eastern Suffolk and New Haven counties and a winter weather advisory has been issued for Middlesex county. Key Messages: * A winter storm will impact the area late Friday through Saturday morning. * The heaviest snow is expected to occur Friday evening (after 4 pm through about 1 am Saturday with lighter snowfall rates early Saturday. Travel will be impacted Friday evening into early Saturday morning. * Snowfall accumulations range from 4 to 8 inches in much of the warning area, 3 to 5 inches in the Advisory, and 1 to 3 just outside the Advisory in New London county. Global models and their associated ensemble systems continue to highlight a quick moving shortwave rounding a strong upper ridge centered over the central plains, approaching the local area from the northwest Friday afternoon. At the surface, a cold high pressure centered over Quebec heads to the east as a surface low traverses the OH Valley, through PA and generally south of the local forecast area by 12Z Saturday. This will allow for a cold and dry arctic airmass to remain in place at the start as the shortwave and sfc low pressure approach Friday afternoon. The modeling has shown slight adjustments over the last 24 hours, but the main message has remained consistent that strong frontogenesis and lift with couple with the left exit region of an upper jet streak to bring in widespread snow across the area late Friday through early Saturday morning. There has been some concern with the warm advection aloft, around H7, bringing in a a chance of sleet mixing in with the snow. This concern was indicated by the NAM, but the 12z has backed off somewhat and trended back south and west. Most of the rest of the guidance suite continues to be in good agreement with keeping any mixing out of the area. Warm advection does tend to come in a bit stronger than modeled, so felt it was warranted to introduce a slight chance of sleet for portions of NE NJ Friday night. This does not change the message and is currently not expected to impact snow accumulations. The majority of the significant snowfall accumulation will occur Friday evening and the first half of the night when the strongest thermal forcing (FGEN), middle level omega, and large scale synoptic lift coincide. These ingredients will lead to a band of heavy snow. Where this band sets up is still a bit uncertain, but guidance has largely been hinting at somewhere from the NYC metro through western Long Island and southwest Connecticut. The heavy snow band will gradually subside overnight as the lift weakens and saturation aloft begins to wane. Light snow accumulation is still expected through early Saturday morning, although the rates will likely be much lower. The event has come into the scope of the higher resolution models and they differ on the placement of the banding. However, they show the potential of this event well. The 12z HREF indicates a respectable probability (50-70%) of greater than 1 inch per hour rates beginning around 6-7pm from NYC metro on NW and then shifting south and east through 11pm. The 12z HREF also has probabilities of greater than 2 inch per hours of around 20-40 percent in the vicinity of the NYC metro, western Long Island, into the Lower Hudson Valley. This leads to growing confidence in heavy snowfall rates for several hours after sunset into the first part of the night as the heavy band moves across the region. While there is still uncertainty in the placement of the banding, there is enough confidence to upgrade the winter storm watch to a warning. We have also added New Haven and eastern Suffolk into the warning as guidance has trended towards heavier snow potential a bit further east. It should be noted that the eastern portions of the north and south fork will likely not reach warning criteria, but enough of the western half of the zone could easily see the 6 inch criteria met. Snowfall Accumulations: Forecast accumulations over the last 24 hours have not changed much with just minor adjustments and a slight shift eastward with the 6 inch amounts. Overall, 4 to 8 inches are forecast in the warning (average of 6 inches) with the exception of the forks of Long Island likely coming in lower. In the Advisory in Middlesex county, 3 to 5 inches forecast with 2 to 4 in New London. A reasonable worse case scenario in the warning area continues to be about 8-10 inches and around 6 outside the warning. The higher amounts are possible if banding were to put down a bit more snow or linger longer over specific areas than currently anticipated. If the forecast verifies, Central Park will receive its first snowfall of greater than 4 inches since January 2022. In the January 28-29, 2022 storm 8.3 inches was observed. Snowfall rates: Peak rates of 1-2 inch per hour are expected in heavier snow bands. There is a low chance rates could come briefly exceed 2 inches per hour in heaviest snow in banding, right now this appears isolated. Snow characteristic: There is likely going to be variability with snow ratios throughout the event, but the snow may begin a bit drier and become wetter as the event wears on. The banding potential also complicates this as within the band ratios will likely be high but in areas surrounding the band could be lower. Some light snow or flurries may continue Saturday morning before tapering off by midday. Any additional accumulation after 12z will be insignificant and likely just trace amounts. Clouds may linger into the afternoon, but we should begin seeing some clearing in the afternoon from north. Highs will struggle to rise above freezing, but should briefly get there closer to the coast. Cold temperatures remain in place Saturday night with lows in the teens inland to around 20 near the coast.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...A MIXTURE OF FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET TO OVERSPREAD AREAS NORTH OF I-66/U.S. 50 ON FRIDAY... .As high pressure builds across Quebec, a steady stream of cold air will funnel southward into the Mid-Atlantic region. At the same time, moisture will overrrun a frontal boundary across the central Appalachians down into the Carolinas. As milder air will settle above the sub-freezing surface layer, a wintry mix consisting of freezing rain and sleet is likely over portions of the area. Travel impacts are likely where the wintry mix falls. MDZ004>006-011-503-505-506-VAZ505-260300- /O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0030.251226T1700Z-251227T0500Z/ Frederick MD-Carroll-Northern Baltimore-Southern Baltimore- Northwest Montgomery-Northwest Howard-Central and Southeast Howard-Western Loudoun- 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM NOON FRIDAY TO MIDNIGHT EST FRIDAY NIGHT... * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow and sleet accumulations up to one inch and ice accumulations around one tenth of an inch, with closer to a trace to a few hundredths of an inch to the south of I-70. * WHERE...Portions of central, north central, and northern Maryland and northern Virginia. * WHEN...From noon Friday to midnight EST Friday Night. * IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions could impact the Friday evening commute. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Precipitation is likely to overspread the area by midday Friday in the form of sleet or freezing rain. Freezing rain with some sleet mixing in will continue through the afternoon and evening. A bit more sleet can be expected closer to the Maryland-Pennsylvania border. Through the day, temperatures are expected to remain close to 32 degrees. Precipitation exits off to the northeast with some light drizzle or freezing drizzle possibly lingering into the early overnight hours.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...A MIXTURE OF FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET TO OVERSPREAD AREAS NORTH OF I-66/U.S. 50 ON FRIDAY... .As high pressure builds across Quebec, a steady stream of cold air will funnel southward into the Mid-Atlantic region. At the same time, moisture will overrrun a frontal boundary across the central Appalachians down into the Carolinas. As milder air will settle above the sub-freezing surface layer, a wintry mix consisting of freezing rain and sleet is likely over portions of the area. Travel impacts are likely where the wintry mix falls. MDZ008-507-508-260300- /O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0030.251226T1900Z-251227T0800Z/ Cecil-Northwest Harford-Southeast Harford- 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM FRIDAY TO 3 AM EST SATURDAY... * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow and sleet accumulations up to one inch and ice accumulations up to one tenth of an inch. * WHERE...Cecil, Northwest Harford, and Southeast Harford Counties. * WHEN...From 2 PM Friday to 3 AM EST Saturday. * IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions could impact the Friday evening commute. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Precipitation is likely to overspread the area by midday Friday in the form of sleet or freezing rain. Throughout the afternoon and evening, some snow could even mix in at times. Through the day, temperatures are expected to remain close to 32 degrees. Some freezing drizzle likely lingers into the first half of the night which may lead to additional slick travel.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...A MIXTURE OF FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET TO OVERSPREAD AREAS NORTH OF I-66/U.S. 50 ON FRIDAY... .As high pressure builds across Quebec, a steady stream of cold air will funnel southward into the Mid-Atlantic region. At the same time, moisture will overrrun a frontal boundary across the central Appalachians down into the Carolinas. As milder air will settle above the sub-freezing surface layer, a wintry mix consisting of freezing rain and sleet is likely over portions of the area. Travel impacts are likely where the wintry mix falls. MDZ003-502-VAZ027-028-030-031-507-WVZ050>053-055-502>504-260300- /O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0030.251226T1500Z-251227T0400Z/ Washington-Central and Eastern Allegany-Shenandoah-Frederick VA- Warren-Clarke-Northern Virginia Blue Ridge-Hampshire-Morgan- Berkeley-Jefferson-Hardy-Eastern Grant-Western Mineral-Eastern Mineral- 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM TO 11 PM EST FRIDAY... * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow and sleet accumulations up to one inch and ice accumulations around one tenth of an inch, with closer to a trace to a few hundredths of an inch near U.S. 50. * WHERE...Portions of north central and western Maryland, northwest Virginia, and eastern panhandle West Virginia. * WHEN...From 10 AM to 11 PM EST Friday. * IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions could impact the Friday evening commute. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Precipitation is likely to overspread the area late Friday morning in the form of sleet or freezing rain. Freezing rain with some sleet mixing in will continue through the afternoon and evening. Through the day, temperatures are expected to remain close to 32 degrees before warming above freezing during the overnight hours.

Snow breaks out late morning on the HRRR for northern areas. Interesting that this has evolved into a Friday daytime event as opposed to a Fri night - Sat morning event.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...A MIXTURE OF FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET TO OVERSPREAD AREAS NORTH OF I-66/U.S. 50 ON FRIDAY... .As high pressure builds across Quebec, a steady stream of cold air will funnel southward into the Mid-Atlantic region. At the same time, moisture will overrrun a frontal boundary across the central Appalachians down into the Carolinas. As milder air will settle above the sub-freezing surface layer, a wintry mix consisting of freezing rain and sleet is likely over portions of the area. Travel impacts are likely where the wintry mix falls. MDZ501-510-260300- /O.UPG.KLWX.WS.A.0012.251226T1200Z-251227T0600Z/ /O.NEW.KLWX.IS.W.0004.251226T1300Z-251227T0600Z/ Extreme Western Allegany-Eastern Garrett- 157 PM EST Thu Dec 25 2025 ...ICE STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 8 AM FRIDAY TO 1 AM EST SATURDAY... * WHAT...Significant icing expected. Total ice accumulations between two tenth and three tenths of an inch, locally near four tenths of an inch in a few spots. * WHERE...Eastern Garrett and Extreme Western Allegany Counties. * WHEN...From 8 AM Friday to 1 AM EST Saturday. * IMPACTS...Power outages and tree damage are likely due to the ice. Travel could be nearly impossible. The hazardous conditions could impact the Friday morning and evening commutes. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Precipitation is likely to overspread the area Friday morning in the form of sleet or freezing rain. Freezing rain will continue through the day and into the evening before tapering to freezing drizzle overnight. Through the day, temperatures are expected to remain at or below 32 degrees before gradually warming overnight Friday. Morning temperatures on Saturday could return to near freezing which may lead to some re-freezing on exposed surfaces.

Merry Christmas

Time to work on an updated snow map

obviously Mt. Holly is discounting the HRRR as it shows heavier snowfall/sleet accumuation where they downgraded the warning

Merry Christmas to all as well. I started a January thread, as we are now looking into there for the changes.

The pessimist in me says southwest of the NY-NJ border, this could turn into a quick (~2-4hrs) burst of steady snow followed by a period of light sleet and ending as flurries/snow showers.

And it should be a pattern change upcoming unlike we are seeing now,look at East Asia after D3

We are looking into early January now on modeling. With a potentially potent cold shot coming for the first few days of the year. With any luck, the Pac jet extends towards the polar regions, and then drops back towards the equator, which should get rid of the Aleutian ridge and help get a +PNA look. The GEFS wants nothing to do with that, it keeps the AR and hooks the NAO with Atlantic ridging. The GFS gets rid of the AR but has no -NAO at all, and no +PNA. The GEPS has a PNA ridge and -NAO with an eastern trough. The AIGFS gets rid of the AR and has the -NAO with a small eastern trough and looks like it's starting a +pna at the end. The Euro AI builds a tall PNA ridge by the end but it's scoured out the cold over Canada with much AN temps, but we are slightly BN here by the end. The EPS has a slight +PNA at the end, and a slight trough east and the AR was gone. So, outside of the GFS/GEFS we could be building towards a good pattern for us around Jan 8th-10th. The heart of winter is Jan 15th to Feb 15th. If we get to peak climo with the +PNA/-NAO look that's about all you can ask for.

Gets a LOT better later in the run

I hope we get 3” of sleet.

If the forecast holds central park may see it's first significant snowfall sinceJanuary 28-29 2022 when 8.3 inches fell

Not great micro trends for NJ. It would be nice to see the occasional southwest shift to counter the northeast nudges. But the changes have been happening early in the midwest, which makes it hard to reverse downstream. Maybe an inverted trof at the end of the event will overperform! What's bad for PA and NJ is good for NY and CT.