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Something's got to give ..either that low gets pushed South or that warm air gets pushed North.

Let's hope we get a better end result for foothills areas

Shades of last winter. We saw this time and time again where models torched at range, only to come in colder and colder at 0 hour.

Pulling to banter - it was a foot of snow! I think it being finals was a big motivator and this was pre-Covid so things felt less flexible then they’ve become after. We had classes off for ~4” my senior year in 2022.

How much did uva get for that storm? Besides it’s not finals yet so who knows.

Weird cuz gfs has low pretty north but it's precip type is pretty much keeping it all snow here

Think you are gonna find out colleges don’t cancel easy - UVA had just a half day off during finals after Dec. 2018!

Can you or someone explain/show what we should look for in the Pacific as opposed to what we do not want? I enjoy reading and learning from you all in here. .

Would get me out of my chem exam the 3rd so I’m happy with it

It continues with the same idea. All that matters on an op run at this range.

Weather history buffs, help me out here. It was early December 2000, and we had a setup similar to what we’re seeing now—a hybrid-type low dropping out of Alberta. It was originally forecast to behave a lot like this weekend’s storm, but instead it tracked farther south and nailed Ohio and southern Michigan. I had just graduated college and remember being caught off guard by the shift. Ironically, that December ended up being one for the books, turning into one of the coldest and snowiest on record for these parts. Thanks for starting the thread, Michsnowfreak.

18z GFS is actually pretty nice. Nov 30 flurries + ice and then 1-3", even more points south of DC

Ray puts a shit ton of effort into those outlooks. Probably better than most established Mets doing long range louooks.

It’s a hit - least a modest one

Looks like 18z GFS while giving us a bit of ice with the system before the 3rd might shear out the 3rd system

with that lead wave, what are we talking on ratio's ?

yeah it's usually one or the other for good conditions-I'm in Breck 1st week of Feb so hoping it's ok by then

18Z GFS has slightly higher amounts for Chicagoland. 18z vs 12z below.

Agree... You can't be blamed for being gun shy... Lots of screw jobs over the past few years. That being said, I think optimism is warranted... Since we will be dealing with mainly SWFEs, it would be nice to get some secondary, even weak, lows running out under SNE? I am certainly going to stay conservative, especially SOP, in the short term. Would love to see the pattern morp into one favoring coastal as we move into the heart of the winter; very late Dec onward. For now, Midwest track favored with SWFE causing our main action... Missing out on early December snows doesn't really bother me; I'm just looking for favorable pattern trends. Liking fact 40/70 is bullish in general.

Good to see some colors back on the map

LES bands starting form. Getting some snow right now. Little earlier than expected, so possible 6"+ in town is possible.

Next Tuesday is looking tantalizingly close.

Yes his is stellar. My records started in 1966 and really got going 1980-present . What happened from April into Setptember and what’s been happening last 15 or so days, each with a weighted average. When I find , for example, that May and June with near historically wet then July with very high heat indexes then August dry and normal temps and Nov 1-15 damp dreary snd chilly-what followed all that? When I can find 4 out of 5 matches or 7 out of 10 then I reveal my thoughts I like 12/4-5

I haven't received any measurable rain yet. That 3-5" snow here would have required a vivid imagination!

8 years since the last above average season here. 1 Average season and 6 below average since. so sick of this sh*t..I'll take average or slightly above at this point