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December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
Typhoon Tip replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
impressive hydrostatic correction with that front, no doubt. 20 dm in 6 hours, the bulk of which happens faster than that, too. -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
weatherwiz replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
I wonder if we could see some snow squalls into western areas late Friday afternoon -
It wasn’t just luck, we had a classic west based -NAO in a strong El Niño. Super Ninos are usually warm and boring unless we get that ideal setup, then a HECS is in play.
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Natural gas closed up nearly 4%, easily its best day since Dec 5th. This is largely based on today’s forecast speculation that the forecasted dominant warmth may not be as widespread, intense, and/or long lasting in the E US as thought yesterday.
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The upcoming -NAO (Christmas week into the New Year’s week) is projected to be east-based, in addition, the PAC looks like straight garbage and you have a huge omega ridge dead center of the CONUS, an Aleutian ridge (-WPO) with a +EPO and a very strong -PNA. So if you are looking to stay cool and avoid a “torch” in the east, that will work out fine then, the -NAO will keep the east cool, no “torch”. If you are looking for east coast snowstorms/nor’easters it looks absolutely awful
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December 2025 Short/Medium Range Forecast Thread
Daniel Boone replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Yep. Still got the usual crowd in Enso forum going complete eventual mild takeover for the east into January. Don S. even. He may change his thoughts with the latest data on the NAO coming in stronger and backing west. They were sold on it being east based. Larry's having to set them straight with latest charts. I won't gloat though as, it's not set in Stone yet. -
Feels straight balmy outside.
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I was referring to this Friday and perhaps one or two days between 12/26 - 12/29
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The model consensus is currently forecasting the strongest -NAO on Christmas as well as surrounding days since way back in 2010! In stark contrast, these 6 had a strong +NAO: 2011, 13, 15, 16, 23, and 24.
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pretty significant block showing up later in the month, but the Pacific is kinda trash need to see if the block can become more west based and exert its will on the pattern, perhaps a forcing more of a ridge bridge up top. either that, or the Bering Sea ridge nudging east into AK regardless, nice to see an Atlantic block develop... just need to see some other factors become more favorable for legit shots at snow south of the M/D line
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hitting 54 today has dissolved whatever snowpack remained from Saturday. Was nice while it lasted, but will take a couple weeks of warmth before (hopefully) a return to the cold
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December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
weatherwiz replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
yeah and they seem to target coastal VA/NC. Should be getting a new D3 update though within the next 5-15 minutes. -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
Typhoon Tip replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
synoptic wind driven events seldom materialize or verify as advertised. That's why I lean needing the convective assist - hence the Marginal. I just checked btw and they've already gone there in their d-3 sev storms outlook - tho the verbiage is rather bland. -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
weatherwiz replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
If the fun weather can't come to you, you go to it. I don't think I've ever seen a civil emergency message for wind before. Sure its happened but must be rare -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
weatherwiz replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
NAM/GFS do have an insane LLJ at 925 materialize across eastern CT/RI/E MA through Friday morning...so something to definitely keep an eye on if that can be tapped into. This does happen to coincide with the leading edge of the main rain area too, however, there is a stout inversion too -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
mahk_webstah replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
I tend to like those messy systems in southern New England -
Good post. To put a fine point on the synoptic/orographic nature of this year, I am at 14.6" snowfall total here in Charlotte at 285'. With 4" OTG and a SWE of 0.6"
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December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
Typhoon Tip replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
mm I'm thinking more along the lines of synoptic forcing/wind problems that are then entangled with convection along what's inevitably going to be a ribbon echo squall sinuously side winding across the area. I guess wind watch headlines may cover this come to think of it. Plus... any "subtle" discrete nature to leading convective elements that are embedded in the misty wind smearing rad wash region - dirty warm sector... Those'll be whisking along within a llv jet. Those could snap troubled limbs. NAM is a tad more aggressive with this llv wind max than the Euro ( 12z ) ...haven't looked that GFS. But the NAM indicated 65+kts at 925 mb between HFD-BED! That's a whopper if it's for real. But even the Euro has this wind maxim moving NYC to SE zones/clipping at 55 to 60. A compromise puts a potential momentum/gust problem across the bulk of the area. There's still still 2 days to tune this potential. But the soundings start to look more barotropic as this is all occurring and that means we scale back the protective inversion stuff... -
Cold down here in the holler at head of the crick with high of 49 and low of 21. Not a big departure but another consecutive negative 2” remaining snow over at Frederuck house doing its job, 42 max so far there
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December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
weatherwiz replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
I wouldn't be shocked if that ridging in the south is too smoothed out too. I would wager probably more of a ridge axis into the upper Mississippi Valley which could then argue for some lower heights in the Northeast The overall structure of that trough across western Canada's coast will be a big player too -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
brooklynwx99 replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
nah i can't, which is why I think things are going to be one or the other. either more of a trough over the NE or warmer like the old GEPS runs. that's a weird in between -
December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread
brooklynwx99 replied to Torch Tiger's topic in New England
these are also means that we're looking at... it wouldn't be shocking that there's some washing out ongoing for example. members that don't develop a strong -NAO are likely complete torches with very high E US heights. however, ones that do, and especially the ones that shift the block more west, might actually just have a cold airmass in the east. wish there was a way to look at EPS members like that -
Honestly, are there any analogs that have that look? I can’t recall that. It reminds me of those stagnant farts that just stays in the room and doesn’t disperse. Just persistent ass.
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I'm saying we can luck into that type of setup any random winter. It's like we have a bucket of climo stuff. That includes the biggest snows ever to hit the area. It also has the warmest day ever reported. It all in the bucket. Any given winter we randomly get tossed stuff from the bucket. I don't know. This cookie is kicking my ass today lol
