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I'm dreaming of a White Christmas!


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NYC area.

 

Do you think we can avoid the one day warm up late next week? Aren't some of the models showing this wrong with the constant cold push in Canada.  Could we get a huge overunning snow and ice event instead of the brief mild period in seven days?  Please comment.  I think we are having a white Christmas this year, like 95 percent chance... No cutters in this pattern, no way !!  I bet Chrismas Day has low -5 F below and highs 7-12 F degrees.

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Ill take it. Even if we have that warmup a few days earlier, i want christmas to feel cold lol

The warm up is 2 days -  Pulls back Sat - Sun then the trough   back by next monday  .

This time the discharge is down the plains and thru the lakes .so that shot is the coldest of the year .

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The warm up is 2 days -  Pulls back Sat - Sun then the trough   back by next monday  .

This time the discharge is down the plains and thru the lakes .so that shot is the coldest of the year .

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The Euro so backed off on this , Took the PV and swings it east  not South . B @#$% call .

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The Euro so backed off on this , Took the PV and swings it east  not South . B @#$% call .

I believe the GEFS has been colder in the long range (15 days)  all along.   Wants to keep 2M highs starting the 23rd to end of year now,  in the low 30's.   EURO has hesitated lately,   552dm. line stays north of NYC more than it did earlier.  Snow NewYearsEve in Times Sq.?, if so, who needs Red Sq.!

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Cross your fingers :snowwindow: Just a possible dusting in some NYC areas..

 

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY  
642 PM EST TUE DEC 24 2013  
   
SYNOPSIS
 
 
A COLD FRONT MOVES THROUGH THE REGION THIS EVENING FOLLOWED BY  
CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE FOR CHRISTMAS. A WEAK COLD FRONT MOVES ACROSS  
THE REGION THURSDAY FOLLOWED BY HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING IN FROM  
THE SOUTH AND WEST THROUGH THE WEEKEND. A STRONG COLD FRONT MOVES  
ACROSS THE REGION LATE SUNDAY INTO MONDAY...WITH ARCTIC HIGH  
PRESSURE BUILDING INTO THE REGION THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 

 
   
NEAR TERM /UNTIL MIDNIGHT TONIGHT/
 
 
POTENTIAL FLASH FREEZE/ICING EVENT THIS EVENING...  
 
BAND OF SNOW SHOWERS AND EMBEDDED SNOW SQUALLS OVER NE NJ/LOWER  
HUDSON VALLEY...AHEAD OF APPROACHING MESO LOW...WILL CONTINUE TO  
SLIDE SE ACROSS AREA THIS EVENING. BRIEF WHITEOUT CONDITIONS WITH  
A QUICK 1/2 INCH OF SNOW AND 30 MPH WIND GUSTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED  
ACROSS NW NJ...WITH SIMILAR CONDITIONS LIKELY ACROSS NE NJ AND  
BORDERING LOWER HUDSON VALLEY ZONES THROUGH 7 PM. BASED ON TRACK  
OF MES0-LOW WOULD EXPECT HEAVIEST ACTIVITY TO CONTINUE SE INTO THE  
NYC METRO AREA AND LI/CT/NY SURROUNDINGS BETWEEN 7 AND 8 PM. THEN  
ACROSS EASTERN LI/SE CT BTWN 8 AND 9 PM. ADDITIONAL LIGHT SNOW  
SHOWER AND FLURRY ACTIVITY POSSIBLE BEHIND INITIAL BAND...BUT  
LITTLE ADDITIONAL ACCUM EXPECTED.  

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:snowwindow: I don't see it happening :(.  

 

NYZ072-250915-
NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-
856 PM EST TUE DEC 24 2013

.TONIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS THIS
EVENING...THEN MOSTLY CLEAR AFTER MIDNIGHT. SNOW MAY BE HEAVY AT
TIMES THIS EVENING. BRISK WITH LOWS IN THE LOWER 20S. NORTHWEST
WINDS 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW
50 PERCENT.

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The locations that did record snowfall this evening:  Congrats on your "White Christmas".   :santa:

 

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT...SUMMARY  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY  
1040 PM EST TUE DEC 24 2013  
   
.TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON
 
   
.DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE.
 
 
..REMARKS..  
 
0626 PM HEAVY SNOW OAKLAND 41.03N 74.24W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH BERGEN NJ TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
SNOW SQUALL OBSERVED  
 
0704 PM HEAVY SNOW RIDGEWOOD 40.98N 74.11W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH BERGEN NJ TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
0.6 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED IN 20 MINUTES DURING A SNOW  
SQUALL. VISIBILITY DOWN TO A QUARTER OF A MILE.  
 
0705 PM HEAVY SNOW WEST MILFORD 41.11N 74.40W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH PASSAIC NJ TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
1.0 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0734 PM HEAVY SNOW SCARSDALE 40.99N 73.78W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH WESTCHESTER NY TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
0.5 INCH OF SNOW DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0802 PM HEAVY SNOW STONY POINT 41.23N 74.00W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH ROCKLAND NY TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
0.3 INCH OF SNOW IN SNOW SQUALL  
 
0819 PM HEAVY SNOW RIDGEFIELD 41.27N 73.50W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH FAIRFIELD CT TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
0.8 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0835 PM HEAVY SNOW NORWALK 41.09N 73.42W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH FAIRFIELD CT PUBLIC  
 
0.5 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0843 PM HEAVY SNOW SMITHTOWN 40.86N 73.21W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY NWS EMPLOYEE  
 
0.5 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED IN LESS THAN 20 MIN DURING A  
SNOW SQUALL  
 
0857 PM HEAVY SNOW ISLIP AIRPORT 40.80N 73.10W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY ASOS  
 
1.6 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED BY FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  
DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0901 PM HEAVY SNOW RONKONKOMA 40.80N 73.12W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY NWS EMPLOYEE  
 
0.6 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0921 PM HEAVY SNOW LLOYD HARBOR 40.92N 73.46W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY TRAINED SPOTTER  
 
0.5 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0921 PM HEAVY SNOW SETAUKET 40.94N 73.12W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY NWS EMPLOYEE  
 
1.0 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0937 PM HEAVY SNOW UPTON 40.87N 72.89W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH SUFFOLK NY NWS OFFICE  
 
0.8 INCH OF SNOW REPORTED DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
0951 PM HEAVY SNOW LAKE CARMEL 41.46N 73.67W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH PUTNAM NY NWS EMPLOYEE  
 
0.5 INCH OF SNOW DURING SNOW SQUALL  
 
1036 PM HEAVY SNOW MAHOPAC 41.37N 73.74W  
12/24/2013 U0.0 INCH PUTNAM NY PUBLIC  
 
1.5 INCHES OF SNOW FROM SNOW SQUALL  
 

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Bump, another year to pass without a white NYC Christmas - less than 10 percent based on 1981-2010 data and not much encouragement from the models.  

 

Anyway, here is an updated link from the NWS, Pittsburgh office that may be worth your reading and reference.

 

http://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/are-you-dreaming-white-christmas

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Guess where....

 

 

 

  • TonightSnow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 6. Windy, with a west wind 50 to 55 mph, with gusts as high as 75 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of 36 to 42 inches possible.
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Sad even the top of Mt. Washington is getting poured on Xmas Eve.

 

That borders on unheard of...they see very little precip that is not of the frozen variety between October & April...and especially not in the dead of winter...since they are 1.2 miles in the sky. 

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That borders on unheard of...they see very little precip that is not of the frozen variety between October & April...and especially not in the dead of winter...since they are 1.2 miles in the sky. 

True, Pam but they measured 23" snow/ice on the ground yesterday morning and have 48.8" of snow/ice also as of yesterday for the month of December.  

 

https://www.mountwashington.org/uploads/forms/2014/12.pdf

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That borders on unheard of...they see very little precip that is not of the frozen variety between October & April...and especially not in the dead of winter...since they are 1.2 miles in the sky. 

 

 

They get their share of rain during the winter. Any strong cutter will do it. Its not high enough to escape the warm southerly flow. That's why even the highest East Coast ski resorts have problems with ice. White Face at 4400' is kick named iceface. Out West at Mammoth for example the lowest elevation is 8000' so they don't have to worry about ice/rain. 

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They get their share of rain during the winter. Any strong cutter will do it. Its not high enough to escape the warm southerly flow. That's why even the highest East Coast ski resorts have problems with ice. White Face at 4400' is kick named iceface. Out West at Mammoth for example the lowest elevation is 8000' so they don't have to worry about ice/rain. 

 

It does not rain much up there above the 850 mb level during the winter...they may get sleet, freezing rain, graupel (great rime ice develops up there btw)...but not much plain rain.  Moreover, to compare "Mammoth"...a western high location with one in the NE is really no comparison at all...that would be like moving Denver to the longitude of Philadelphia...and expecting a similar climatological outcome.  The shallowness of cold air prevents places like Denver from ever experiencing the incredibly severe winters they would have if they were somehow magically transported east of the Mississippi. 

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