2025-2026 ENSO

[40/70 Benchmark]

DJF hardly below normal from around the N shore of Boston points NE into Maine screams late-blooming Miller B, to me.

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

Even more pronounced for JFM:

[40/70 Benchmark]

CFS is MUCH warmer.....my stuff is seemingly a compromise of the two.

[michsnowfreak]

15 hours ago, chris21 said:

Mine is 40/18 in North Carolina. All elevation and location on the windward slopes.

Interesting! Our lows are a bit more elevated due to lots of overcast nights, though we still drop below zero several days annually. 

[anthonymm]

17 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Yeah that makes sense. Not terribly different from my avg temps. But yet another example of how snowfall is localized and very subject to other things than just the avg temp.

I wonder what a REASONABLE line or latitude is to draw a line and assume below that line is where you really need seasonable to colder than avg temps to get snow.

Based on a quick calculation, I get your DJF avg high/low as 38/20. Mine is 34/21.

Probably about 41 N. 

[chris21]

49 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Interesting! Our lows are a bit more elevated due to lots of overcast nights, though we still drop below zero several days annually. 

Our lows are pretty cold because I’m in a deep, high valley (3800 feet, surrounded by 5500-6000 foot high mountains). On upslope snow days our temps get very cold also.

The flora on my property is pretty similar I’d imagine to your area. A lot of Beech, Yellow Birch, Sugar Maple and Basswood.

[kazimirkai]

5 hours ago, snowman19 said:

This drought situation is actually worse than last year at this time. We have been completely devoid of widespread heavy rains in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic since late July. October looks dry as far as the eye can see
 

* Ahem* don't mind the record rainfall that Albany and southern NY received the day after this data in this map was valid 

[raindancewx]

This article is pretty consistent with my thinking on how to model winter precipitation patterns in the US. It's strongly supportive of a wetter winter nationally than last year, despite what the models show.

https://opensnow.com/news/post/how-atlantic-ocean-temps-could-impact-la-nina-2024-2025-winter-forecast

Recent seasons on the Canadian have been depicted in an MJO pattern of 4-5 for winter. The models are showing 6-7 for this winter. That's very different from recent winters, look at the depicted east African precip pattern at the equator. Look at Brazil shown wet v dry in phase five. It's not 5 like in recent years. It looks like 6-7 to me, not perfect but better than the others. We had 4-5-6 for precip nationally last winter, but made drier by the Atlantic features.

Again - this match holds up for a lot of my methods, although it isn't quite what I expect. But it did have 106 ACE as an example which still feels about right.