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ICON has the upper level low feature in Ontario at day 5, just a bit too far north. Previous model runs that had east coast snowstorms had a strong antecedent ULL in this region. EC was really flat with this feature, and the CMC actually had a ridge. A stout ULL would force any follow up wave to divert south and possibly delay the negative tilting.

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4 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Gfs has major changes for the good

 

Well the follow up wave that ultimately carves out the big trof is noticably weaker as it moves through the Pac NW/intermountain west. That seems slightly good for us. The evolution is also delayed. But the ULL over Ontario looks likely less favorably positioned.

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3 minutes ago, eduggs said:

Heavy snow to mix to rain possibly back to snow on the GFS. Weaker trof keeps things wintry. Gonna be hard to avoid rain with a trof axis so far west.

Seems very sloppy/disjointed. The early digging trough brings up lots of warm air on the east side and it seems like some kind of primary running up the Apps helps ruin it. An offshore low does congeal eventually but the airmass is ruined by the early digging trough and retreating high. Same lousy outcome here as today pretty much-there would be a strong easterly wind off the ocean. At least the preceding airmass is cold enough that there would be some snow to start but it would be a fast change to rain on the coast/city.

Not saying this will happen but that's what this run verbatim would lead to.

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Use ensemble means with caution. There are clusters broadly representing the extremes depicted in the recent op global runs. Clearly there is heightened sensitivity to a few key features that could shift this outcome significantly. Averaging these extreme camps creates a muted average unlikely to portend the final outcome.

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4 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Seems very sloppy/disjointed. The early digging trough brings up lots of warm air on the east side and it seems like some kind of primary running up the Apps helps ruin it. An offshore low does congeal eventually but the airmass is ruined by the early digging trough and retreating high. Same lousy outcome here as today pretty much-there would be a strong easterly wind off the ocean. At least the preceding airmass is cold enough that there would be some snow to start but it would be a fast change to rain on the coast/city.

Not saying this will happen but that's what this run verbatim would lead to.

It's certainly not a classic blizzard, but it would be widespread snowfall across the east coast. Much colder in situ air and potentially two bouts of moderate-heavy snow. I'd sign on right now if I could.

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4 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Seems very sloppy/disjointed. The early digging trough brings up lots of warm air on the east side and it seems like some kind of primary running up the Apps helps ruin it. An offshore low does congeal eventually but the airmass is ruined by the early digging trough and retreating high. Same lousy outcome here as today pretty much-there would be a strong easterly wind off the ocean. At least the preceding airmass is cold enough that there would be some snow to start but it would be a fast change to rain on the coast/city.

Not saying this will happen but that's what this run verbatim would lead to.

I think at this point you’d have to take the gfs solution and run with it. Heavy burst of snow to rain back to snow. Way preferable to the more likely outcome of another windswept rainstorm. 

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2 minutes ago, Winterweatherlover said:

I think at this point you’d have to take the gfs solution and run with it. Heavy burst of snow to rain back to snow. Way preferable to the more likely outcome of another windswept rainstorm. 

I doubt it happens like that with this weird multiple centers evolution. That usually happens when the model can't figure out where to put the main center under the strong dynamics/lift advancing NE. What I want to see is it digging a little later/further east. If we have a strong neutral tilted trough over the MS Valley we're in trouble.

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