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january 3rd potential coastal grazer


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2 minutes ago, greenmtnwx said:

For nyc it is. Needed continued steady trends, fairly significant ones and as Will pointed out the usual ebb and flow is to go the other way late. This one wasn’t for the city. 

Are you the same person who would bash the Nam for being too amped ? Let's see other models before we say anything. 

Nyc is on the northern fringe. 

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3 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

has this model been accurate at all in the past ? Also how about the Sref ?

The FV3 has been wildly inconsistent for the last year when I have looked at it.  I never know when to trust it...the SREF is ALWAYS overdone, however its usually not this deviated from the NAM at 24...its safe to say one will probably be wrong by a good margin

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1 minute ago, SnowGoose69 said:

The FV3 has been wildly inconsistent for the last year when I have looked at it.  I never know when to trust it...the SREF is ALWAYS overdone, however its usually not this deviated from the NAM at 24...its safe to say one will probably be wrong by a good margin

Euro and eps came north

Nam is an outlier right now

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1 minute ago, SnowGoose69 said:

The FV3 has been wildly inconsistent for the last year when I have looked at it.  I never know when to trust it...the SREF is ALWAYS overdone, however its usually not this deviated from the NAM at 24...its safe to say one will probably be wrong by a good margin

Thanks that just answered all questions on how this storm will play out in the immediate NYC metro - not much in the way of accumulation.....

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Just now, WeatherFox said:

NWS Mount Holly this morning…

This is a rapidly evolving forecast
and users should monitor the forecast closely through the course of
today as additional changes, potentially significant, are possible.

 

did they give any hint in which direction these changes are favoring at the moment ?

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Just now, NEG NAO said:

Thanks that just answered all questions on how this storm will play out in the immediate NYC metro - not much in the way of accumulation.....

NAO,,, if you were at the crap table in Vegas right now and we still had 36 hours to go and other model runs would you put all you chips in the center and say "not much will happen " ----- I wouldn't but thats me as I think this still has a long ways to go 

 

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3 minutes ago, Brasiluvsnow said:

NAO,,, if you were at the crap table in Vegas right now and we still had 36 hours to go and other model runs would you put all you chips in the center and say "not much will happen " ----- I wouldn't but thats me as I think this still has a long ways to go 

 

I have bad luck so I would not gamble on anything lol

36 hours out is plenty of a shift shift or north. Nam is the only model way south right now.

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2 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

did they give any hint in which direction these changes are favoring at the moment ?

NWS NYC did..

The forecast area will be on the northern fringes of the
low, there is a large precipitation gradient and a track closer
to the coast could lead to more in the way of snow if further
model runs show a continued northward jog. At this time, the
thinking is for less than an inch for portions of northeast New
Jersey, Lower Hudson Valley, southern Connecticut and western
Long Island, while 1 to 2 inches is expected across central and
easter Long Island and southeastern Connecticut. Northern
portions of the Lower Hudson Valley and inland southwestern
Connecticut will see little, if any snow. It`s worth noting that
a few short range ensemble means bring warning level criteria to
southern portions of the forecast area, but did not go that high
given aforementioned uncertainty.
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1 minute ago, WeatherFox said:
NWS NYC did..

The forecast area will be on the northern fringes of the
low, there is a large precipitation gradient and a track closer
to the coast could lead to more in the way of snow if further
model runs show a continued northward jog. At this time, the
thinking is for less than an inch for portions of northeast New
Jersey, Lower Hudson Valley, southern Connecticut and western
Long Island, while 1 to 2 inches is expected across central and
easter Long Island and southeastern Connecticut. Northern
portions of the Lower Hudson Valley and inland southwestern
Connecticut will see little, if any snow. It`s worth noting that
a few short range ensemble means bring warning level criteria to
southern portions of the forecast area, but did not go that high
given aforementioned uncertainty.

Fair forecast

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1 minute ago, WeatherFox said:
NWS NYC did..

The forecast area will be on the northern fringes of the
low, there is a large precipitation gradient and a track closer
to the coast could lead to more in the way of snow if further
model runs show a continued northward jog. At this time, the
thinking is for less than an inch for portions of northeast New
Jersey, Lower Hudson Valley, southern Connecticut and western
Long Island, while 1 to 2 inches is expected across central and
easter Long Island and southeastern Connecticut. Northern
portions of the Lower Hudson Valley and inland southwestern
Connecticut will see little, if any snow. It`s worth noting that
a few short range ensemble means bring warning level criteria to
southern portions of the forecast area, but did not go that high
given aforementioned uncertainty.

Thanks - southern parts of forecast area in NYC zones is Union County in NJ and Staten Island and southern parts of Brooklyn and points east

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Well the Nam said that's a wrap and I think it's correct. Models were overdoing the NW ticks and are now pulling back. 

I expect the GFS to follow. You're relying on the southern vortex to do all the work without a lot of help from the northern stream, which is why the precip field is so tight. 

Let the Mid-Atlantic take the win here 

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This will have a very sharp cutoff line for snowfall in some parts of region with such low dewpoints nearby.

 

KPOU   GFS MOS GUIDANCE    1/02/2022  0600 UTC                      
 DT /JAN   2      /JAN   3                /JAN   4             /     
 HR   12 15 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 00 06 
 X/N              53          17          32          10       37    
 TMP  48 48 51 48 39 31 24 19 17 26 29 29 22 18 15 14 14 25 34 30 27 
 DPT  46 42 34 28 23 19 15 12  9 12 10  6  6  
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