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Been watching Justin's channel for many years.  Pretty amazing how they're trying to help get PPE's to health care workers in N AL...

 

 

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This will change not only America, but the world forever, and that’s not a bad thing. When struck with a catastrophe the human race pulls together, when the human race pulls together we can defeat anything, including Covid-19. This isn’t China’s problem, this isn’t Europe’s problem, this isn’t America’s problem, this is OUR problem, our meaning the world. Let’s push politics to the side, and let the wonderful doctors come together for a vaccine and ultimately come together for a stronger healthier world. 

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3 minutes ago, Chambana said:

This will change not only America, but the world forever, and that’s not a bad thing. When struck with a catastrophe the human race pulls together, when the human race pulls together we can defeat anything, including Covid-19. This isn’t China’s problem, this isn’t Europe’s problem, this isn’t America’s problem, this is OUR problem, our meaning the world. Let’s push politics to the side, and let the wonderful doctors come together for a vaccine and ultimately come together for a stronger healthier world. 

Now if we can just get the world to come together and show as much concern and compassion for environmental health and climate change / global warming as we have for Covid (and not make it a political issue).

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5 hours ago, CoachLB said:

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Jesus Toledo has more cases than Cincinnati? IMO our government needs to start planning for how we re-open post social distancing.  As we start to decline off this peak, they need to have plans in place to take temperatures before entering any buildings. Also they need to require masks for anyone inside an interior building. 

Our economy simply cannot survive if this continues past May 1.  Safety is paramount, but in 3 weeks we need to be ready to go out to eat and shop at Target again. If that doesn't happen, the cure will indeed wind up being worse than the sickness overall.

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Here is the model the WH likes to use

 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

60,000 deaths .....down from 120K

the issue I see with it is that the slope may be too steep after the peak with decreasing deaths per day

plus no deaths after June 15th and only 60 total June 1-14

you can see this error in Italy ...which served as some of the original data input for the model

https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

Italy projection for 4-9 was 384  actual 570 (plus almost 4000 new cases...)

 

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55 newly confirmed deaths in Indiana since yesterday.  

As of today, all private labs in the state have to report negative test results and not just the positive ones.  It had been optional for the private labs and there's probably no way to know how many negative test results weren't reported.

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6 hours ago, janetjanet998 said:

Here is the model the WH likes to use

 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

60,000 deaths .....down from 120K

the issue I see with it is that the slope may be too steep after the peak with decreasing deaths per day

plus no deaths after June 15th and only 60 total June 1-14

you can see this error in Italy ...which served as some of the original data input for the model

https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

Italy projection for 4-9 was 384  actual 570 (plus almost 4000 new cases...)

 

 new update in

 

corrected some what the errors I talked about , peak too high but slope after peak decline too steep

added about 1400 more deaths 61,545

but Italy update slope will be way way off still
https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

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City of Gary, IN has been releasing death and infection numbers (one of the only towns in Lake county to do so I think) and based on what they have provided, they have a disproportionately high number of cases and fatalities compared to the rest of the county.  It can be dangerous to make assumptions but with Gary being 85% African American, we can make a good guess about which segment of the community is being hit the most.  Unfortunately African Americans are being disproportionately affected by this virus as they are in other ways. It's just on a much bigger scale in large urban centers like Chicago and Detroit. 

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Recall petitions are flying left and right in michigan today against govener whitmer after continuing the stay at home order and adding to it that people are no longer allowed to use any boats that are powered by a motor. Also all stores have to close off non essential merchandise areas til the end of April. This includes greenhouse and graden center which has many people upset about not able to get garden plants

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2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

City of Gary, IN has been releasing death and infection numbers (one of the only towns in Lake county to do so I think) and based on what they have provided, they have a disproportionately high number of cases and fatalities compared to the rest of the county.  It can be dangerous to make assumptions but with Gary being 85% African American, we can make a good guess about which segment of the community is being hit the most.  Unfortunately African Americans are being disproportionately affected by this virus as they are in other ways. It's just on a much bigger scale in large urban centers like Chicago and Detroit. 

I think it has to do a lot more with high density of people. The rest of Wayne County has just as bad of numbers as the city.

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53 minutes ago, Stebo said:

I think it has to do a lot more with high density of people. The rest of Wayne County has just as bad of numbers as the city.

Population density is a huge factor, no doubt about it.  I don't have a link but I caught some of the chatter on tv about how blacks are dying at a disproportionate rate from this virus compared to whites (in areas that have released a racial breakdown of deaths).  I think Michigan was one of the places mentioned as far as the racial disparity.  

It would be interesting to see a comparison of rural white death rate compared to rural black death rate, because that takes population density out of the picture.   The area to get plentiful data on that would probably be in the south since rural black is more common than in the north. 

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Just now, Hoosier said:

Population density is a huge factor, no doubt about it.  I don't have a link but I caught some of the chatter on tv about how blacks are dying at a disproportionate rate from this virus compared to whites (in areas that have released a racial breakdown of deaths).  I think Michigan was one of the places mentioned as far as the racial disparity.  

It would be interesting to see a comparison of rural white death rate compared to rural black death rate, because that takes population density out of the picture.   The area to get plentiful data on that would probably be in the south since rural black is more common than in the north. 

Could be part because of economics though too, the black people in Detroit are quite severely depressed economically.

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1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Could be part because of economics though too, the black people in Detroit are quite severely depressed economically.

  Yes as with anything when it comes to healthcare in this country, 2 years down the road from now when the true numbers come out the demographic most prone to this virus are going to be poor with little or no access to quality healthcare.  Trying to stay non political but we really are the only "wealthy" country left in the world where access to healthcare depends on your wallet.  The pundits can say what they want, this is exposing the nightmare and inequality of healthcare in this country, from the top down.  Not to mention the gutting of federal funds to the states for healthcare infrastructure over the last 40 years.  To be the leader of democracy in the world, think our pants just got pulled down.   

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Without going into Socioeconomic aspects and the multiple  types of Healthcare systems, Covid 19 is particularly problematic for those with poorly controlled DM especially when coupled with Cardiovascular disease and or Obesity.  Many diseases affect different racial/ethnicities at different rates. Prayers to all those battling on the front lines of this pandemic and everyone affected. 

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9 hours ago, Stebo said:

Could be part because of economics though too, the black people in Detroit are quite severely depressed economically.

Impoverished people are less likely to have consistent access to things we take for granted like sanitizing wipes (If you could only afford them or necessities like food on any given day you’d go with the food), are more likely to work in fast food/convenience stores/grocers where they’re underpaid and are in constant contact with the general public, rely more heavily on public transportation, have less access to amenities in the house so boredom would invariably draw them outside, and poorer nutrition which leads to hypertension/diabetes. 
 

That’s on top of limited access to healthcare. It’s really disheartening and one can certainly see how all these factors combine to form these tragic numbers. As the most powerful (economically and militarily) country in the world, we really should be doing better.
 

Capitalism is great and has given us a bevy of inventions and luxuries, but runaway capitalism without checks and balances, where the ceiling expands at a seemingly exponential rate while the floor essentially stays the same, is very problematic. 

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

State health commissioner now says there have been 24 deaths at that nursing home.  

Madison county coroner posted 2 large refrigerated walk in coolers they acquired to handle storage of the deceased last week.  May sound drastic but it is a mostly rural county except for Anderson.  They normally can only handle 6-10 at a time.

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Construction crews now in gear and getting after it at the "Alternate Care Facility" at Wisconsin State Fair Exposition Center in West Allis.

 

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On 4/4/2020 at 11:30 AM, Hoosier said:

Would be interesting to see a county by county breakdown of essential businesses and how many people are still required to physically show up to work.  My uncle works at a large, well known one here in northwest IN and they have a few cases there now.  Went from 1 case to 3 cases.  

Well now there are 15 cases where my uncle works.  He showed up to work at 6 am today and they wouldn't let anybody in the building until a cleaning crew comes to disinfect.  So my uncle had to sit in his car until his shift ended at 2 pm.  Wasn't allowed to leave.   :arrowhead:

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3 hours ago, janetjanet998 said:

Italy ..not good..being stubborn

619 new deaths and 4694 new cases the most in a week

model had it at 281 deaths for today

They are on a lockdown until May 3. That will most likely be extended.

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1 hour ago, kevlon62 said:

Construction crews now in gear and getting after it at the "Alternate Care Facility" at Wisconsin State Fair Exposition Center in West Allis.

 

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Hopefully it won't be needed.

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20 hours ago, outflow said:

Recall petitions are flying left and right in michigan today against govener whitmer after continuing the stay at home order and adding to it that people are no longer allowed to use any boats that are powered by a motor. Also all stores have to close off non essential merchandise areas til the end of April. This includes greenhouse and graden center which has many people upset about not able to get garden plants

They need to recall her!  I am a caregiver for a disabled vet and help with his elderly parents.  We all grow gardens.  Imagine my surprise going in today and found I couldn't buy anything!  Yesterday I could buy seeds and various vegetable plants, but no hoses, potting soil, etc.  Thank goodness for the cashier who said, "So fire me.  Am I supposed to remember all 20,000 items we can't sell?". Why is she shutting down garden centers?  This is how we survive out here.

 

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The Indiana State Department of Health has confirmed what many African-Americans have suspected and feared for weeks: Blacks in the state appear to be contracting and dying of the novel coronavirus at a much higher rate than the general population, following a trend in some other states.

Despite African-Americans making up 9.8% of the state’s population, they make up 18.5% of positive cases and 19.2% of the state’s 300 deaths. In Indianapolis, the city’s black population is 28.9%.

Whites – who make up 85.1% of the population – make up 50% of positive cases and 69% of deaths.

The race of 19.1% of positive cases and 7.3% of deaths remain unknown, per the state data provided Friday.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/indiana-releases-demographic-data-on-coronavirus-cases/article_5638bb26-7c04-11ea-a8c7-93baee7db2c3.html

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29 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

The Indiana State Department of Health has confirmed what many African-Americans have suspected and feared for weeks: Blacks in the state appear to be contracting and dying of the novel coronavirus at a much higher rate than the general population, following a trend in some other states.

Despite African-Americans making up 9.8% of the state’s population, they make up 18.5% of positive cases and 19.2% of the state’s 300 deaths. In Indianapolis, the city’s black population is 28.9%.

Whites – who make up 85.1% of the population – make up 50% of positive cases and 69% of deaths.

The race of 19.1% of positive cases and 7.3% of deaths remain unknown, per the state data provided Friday.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/indiana-releases-demographic-data-on-coronavirus-cases/article_5638bb26-7c04-11ea-a8c7-93baee7db2c3.html

Might be related to the fact that COVID-19 strikes areas with concentrated population, such as urban areas, harder.  Per the stats referenced in your  post, Indy has a black pop. of 28.9%.  Hence the higher numbers.

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The rural south has a large black population.  Are the numbers there similar to the urban areas in the big cities?  There are some counties in southern IN that took off like a rocket, but they were also some of the poorest counties in the state, Franklin, Decatur for example.  They also don't have a very large black or even hispanic population.  I understand deep crowded urban cities.  My fear is making this virus racial instead of socio economic.  We've already seen backlash towards Asian Americans over this, hell even in my small town the one chinese restaurant closed because of threats when all they've ever done is carry out, which is permitted.  We need to be very careful throwing the race card around and focus on, what I believe, the real issue, it's money and healthcare access.   

Edit:  Folks, millionaires are getting tested whenever they want.  There are Dr.'s out there that will test you for 600-1000 bucks.  If there's not something wrong with that, well make your own decision.  The fact that the capitalistic mindset is still ruling the day in a time when the society that gives it it's privilege is being deprived is just criminal IMHO.  

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