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42 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I agree, but I also don’t know how much “screwing” is being done, as it would seem rare that someone would be in a country so poor as to not have access to the vaccine but still have the means to travel internationally.

Hell there isn't much international travel is even happening right now? Not much, we can cross that bridge when it is more applicable.

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We should absolutely do whatever we can to distribute more vaccine across the world.  That being said, until the rest of the world catches up, I'm not against restricting travel into the US.  This applies to Europe, poor countries, anybody.  I understand there are arguments against that.  I'm not sure how it makes sense to not have international travel restrictions into the US and also be in favor of having vaccine passports for US citizens to be able to do things in their own country, but these are complex issues and I enjoy reading different perspectives.  

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30 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Hell there isn't much international travel is even happening right now? Not much, we can cross that bridge when it is more applicable.

Vaccine passports as originally slated were/are definitely about international travel. I mean they're called passports for a reason lol. There will be inequitable vaccine distribution across the world for a few years. 

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

Vaccine passports as originally slated were/are definitely about international travel. I mean they're called passports for a reason lol. There will be inequitable vaccine distribution across the world for a few years. 

Well I see them more of a "can I go to the stadium" type passport since most travel is still closed.

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Just now, Stebo said:

Well I see them more of a "can I go to the stadium" type passport since most travel is still closed.

I still don't get the point overall. The people who don't get the vaccine are mostly punishing themselves by taking the risk with the virus. I think this group will be relatively small. 20 to 30 percent at most? Once those who get vaccinated that want to we will almost surely be well beyond the herd immunity threshold between infections and vaccine. 

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14 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I still don't get the point overall. The people who don't get the vaccine are mostly punishing themselves by taking the risk with the virus. I think this group will be relatively small. 20 to 30 percent at most? Once those who get vaccinated that want to we will almost surely be well beyond the herd immunity threshold between infections and vaccine. 

Same. I will add I also support every businesses or event holders right to require a vaccine card at their event. I don’t think many will, but they should be able to if that’s what they want to do.

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18 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Same. I will add I also support every businesses or event holders right to require a vaccine card at their event. I don’t think many will, but they should be able to if that’s what they want to do.

I think the argument works better the other way. Like if I'm in Australia or New Zealand or Africa or the Middle East I wouldn't necessarily want a bunch of unvaccinated travelers coming in to cause an outbreak in a mostly naive population with lesser vaccine availability. 

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Just now, RyanDe680 said:

Government isn’t requiring you to do anything if you don’t agree with it.  Stupid is as stupid does. 

So who is doing the “asking” in your statement? You?

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9 minutes ago, RyanDe680 said:

You don’t have to go to a grocery store.  Order online or email it in since wearing a mask is more painful than a hangnail. 

Wtf are you talking about 

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4 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Although your definition of “Common sense” may be your objective reality, it’s not everyone’s objective reality.

What will be the death of this country is people failing to realize that people have different experiences in life that lead them to the beliefs they have. What’s common sense to someone who lives in Los Angeles, CA isn’t the same as someone who lives in Pioneer, OH. People get so caught up in trying to govern “the other half”, but the beauty of our system is that people have choices and freedom to live under local and regional governments that fit their point of view within our federal framework that primarily supports individual choice. 

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4 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Although your definition of “Common sense” may be your objective reality, it’s not everyone’s objective reality.

What will be the death of this country is people failing to realize that people have different experiences in life that lead them to the beliefs they have. What’s common sense to someone who lives in Los Angeles, CA isn’t the same as someone who lives in Pioneer, OH. People get so caught up in trying to govern “the other half”, but the beauty of our system is that people have choices and freedom to live under local and regional governments that fit their point of view within our federal framework that primarily supports individual choice. 

The thing about nature is, the virus will produce the same symptoms whether the patient lives in Los Angeles, CA or Pioneer, OH. Though I’ll bet Pioneer, OH has a higher population of vulnerable people in several categories (elderly, obese, smokers, etc.). So the virus would actually carry a higher risk of severe illness or death there.

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The thing about nature is, the virus will produce the same symptoms whether the patient lives in Los Angeles, CA or Pioneer, OH. Though I’ll bet Pioneer, OH has a higher population of vulnerable people in several categories (elderly, obese, smokers, etc.). So the virus would actually carry a higher risk of severe illness or death there.

In all my life I never thought little ole Pioneer, OH would be in a discussion on here haha used to kayak all the time on Bird Lake just north of there.

This isn’t that complicated folks, get your vaccine and live life without fear
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19 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

The thing about nature is, the virus will produce the same symptoms whether the patient lives in Los Angeles, CA or Pioneer, OH. Though I’ll bet Pioneer, OH has a higher population of vulnerable people in several categories (elderly, obese, smokers, etc.). So the virus would actually carry a higher risk of severe illness or death there.

Maybe produce the same symptoms, but it won’t spread the same. The county next to my parents and the one they live in has had under 100 cases a day for close to two months now despite having a population of over half a million people. You think they should be legislated the same way as LA?

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7 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


In all my life I never thought little ole Pioneer, OH would be in a discussion on here haha used to kayak all the time on Bird Lake just north of there.

This isn’t that complicated folks, get your vaccine and live life without fear

Or don't get the vaccine....or choose to wait...and still live without fear.  

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22 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


In all my life I never thought little ole Pioneer, OH would be in a discussion on here haha used to kayak all the time on Bird Lake just north of there.

This isn’t that complicated folks, get your vaccine and live life without fear

Yes, I want this done and over with so I don't have to keep worrying about catching it at work with the thousands of people who come through my terminal.

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Yes, I want this done and over with so I don't have to keep worrying about catching it at work with the thousands of people who come through my terminal.

Bingo. I actually have to fly into Detroit here in a month for work. Looks like the days of my rear end sitting behind a computer only are coming to an end

 

You should check the CVS site regularly, it’s how I got mine so quickly

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1 hour ago, schoeppeya said:

Maybe produce the same symptoms, but it won’t spread the same. The county next to my parents and the one they live in has had under 100 cases a day for close to two months now despite having a population of over half a million people. You think they should be legislated the same way as LA?

Williams County OH and LA County have nearly the same population fatality rate...slightly over .2%. They probably have different values but over time the basic viral dynamics are the same. 

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2 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Wtf are you talking about 

The point is we all have options.  Instead of crying about something so trivial as wearing a mask because it is ‘required,’ no one is aging anyone has to go anywhere that is requiring such.  Same as the vaccine ‘passport’ - don’t want to ‘deal’ with it, don’t go to a show.  
 

Just so sick of people not willing to follow simple rules that science has proven to be effective. 

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2 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Maybe produce the same symptoms, but it won’t spread the same. The county next to my parents and the one they live in has had under 100 cases a day for close to two months now despite having a population of over half a million people. You think they should be legislated the same way as LA?

Yes. I think people in LA probably take more precautions than people in the county where your parents live and I’m glad they’ve been lucky not to have an outbreak so far in their area but it’s just as likely there and would be just as devastating proportionally as in LA.

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1 hour ago, TimB84 said:

Yes. I think people in LA probably take more precautions than people in the county where your parents live and I’m glad they’ve been lucky not to have an outbreak so far in their area but it’s just as likely there and would be just as devastating proportionally as in LA.

Agree to disagree then! 

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2 hours ago, OSUmetstud said:

Williams County OH and LA County have nearly the same population fatality rate...slightly over .2%. They probably have different values but over time the basic viral dynamics are the same. 

I can’t check right now but I would be willing to bet the timeline dynamics are very different 

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Alabama fan who attended NCAA Tournament in Indianapolis dies after returning home

INDIANAPOLIS — Health officials in Indiana are investigating whether anyone was exposed to COVID-19 by Alabama residents following the death of a Crimson Tide fan who was in Indianapolis for the NCAA Tournament last weekend.

Luke Ratliff, a 23-year-old Alabama student, died after a brief illness, his father, Bryan Ratliff, told The Tuscaloosa News. The newspaper, citing multiple sources it did not identify, reported Ratliff died of complications related to COVID-19. The elder Ratliff could not immediately be reached for comment Saturday by The Associated Press.

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/ncaa-fan-death-contact-tracing-indiana/531-66d038ef-4ac8-4cdd-8a66-1a3956354968

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3 hours ago, RyanDe680 said:

The point is we all have options.  Instead of crying about something so trivial as wearing a mask because it is ‘required,’ no one is aging anyone has to go anywhere that is requiring such.  Same as the vaccine ‘passport’ - don’t want to ‘deal’ with it, don’t go to a show.  
 

Just so sick of people not willing to follow simple rules that science has proven to be effective. 

Yes, wearing your own personal bacteria farm is effective! Michigan cases surging. One Covid+ patient in our ER today told nurse that he wears the same mask for weeks , doesn't understand how he tested positive 

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