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February Medium/Long Range Disco Thread 2


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There is an optimistic/contrarian view to this. Last night's Euro had the northern stream vort dropping due south to give us some snow. 12z was just another adjustment to a final solution yet to be reached. We all know that the 0z will be different from the 12z. So buckle up for the ride. As for the lack of ensemble support, the operational is far superior to them and when they've showed snow several times this year,  we've gotten nothing. Do we really want ensemble support now? We're better off waiting for the operational to adjust. 

How's that? Did I miss anything? 

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2 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

There is an optimistic/contrarian view to this. Last night's Euro had the northern stream vort dropping due south to give us some snow. 12z was just another adjustment to a final solution yet to be reached. We all know that the 0z will be different from the 12z. So buckle up for the ride. As for the lack of ensemble support, the operational is far superior to them and when they've showed snow several times this year,  we've gotten nothing. Do we really want ensemble support now? We're better off waiting for the operational to adjust. 

How's that? Did I miss anything? 

Any way you slice it, its a convoluted set up. We rarely(if ever) do well with those. That being said, I will keep looking, watching, with the morbid curiosity of an onlooker of a car wreck.

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1 hour ago, mitchnick said:

Nah, no need to travel that far. Just drive over to Daniel's biker bar on Rt. 1 and scream "all you pu$$ie bikers suck" and your body will be in just as many broken pieces in no time. 

Passed that place many times and wondered. I bet everyone is lovely in that place. Heard the food is good too. Lol. 

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10 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Lots of big storms show up in the analogs. That's one reason to give it a small chance. Can't ignore the bad look to the guidance but the pattern is so close can't completely rule it out. 

Where are you getting the analogs?

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3 hours ago, BTRWx said:

I'm very curious about the 850mb height ensemble verification scores.  I wouldn't expect much.

eta: day 10 scores gefs

 

and gfs

 

The first plot was for temp.  Here are the height scores (for North America).

rJxjZGO.png

For a while, everything but the GEFS / GFS was mssing from the ensemble verification site.  It's good to see that it's back. 

Someone mentioned earlier that the GEFS have been doing well.  These scores seem to support it, as the GEFS has been outperforming the NAEFS in the 10+ day range.

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1 minute ago, cae said:

The first plot was for temp.  Here are the height scores (for North America).

rJxjZGO.png

For a while, everything but the GEFS / GFS was mssing from the ensemble verification site.  It's good to see that it's back. 

Someone mentioned earlier that the GEFS have been doing well.  These scores seem to support it, as the GEFS has been outperforming the NAEFS in the 10+ day range.

Thanks!

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21 minutes ago, cae said:

You can add the GEPS to that list.

 

Maybe this is what we need. A general pattern that really isn't that hostile for snow but practically zero support from a ton of guidance. We've had ops and ens tease us all year with bullish progs with nothing to show for it. Reverse meteorology. I'm in. 

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I know,  I know. BUT, fwiw, 84 hrs Nam is not that far off 12z Euro at 96 hrs. Now, obviously, we don't want exactly what the 12z Euro showed, but something close to it will work. My point is simply, there's a bit of support for northern/southern stream interaction with the players on the Nam in similar locations to the Euro thru 12z Tuesday. Nam's on top, Euro below. I'm on my phone and TT won't let me imbed the direct link...sorry.

One more thing.  NAM looks further south with the northern stream vort. 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021100&fh=84&xpos=0&ypos=0

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021012&fh=96&xpos=14&ypos=31

 

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7 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

I know,  I know. BUT, fwiw, 84 hrs Nam is not that far off 12z Euro at 96 hrs. Now, obviously, we don't want exactly what the 12z Euro showed, but something close to it will work. My point is simply, there's a bit of support for northern/southern stream interaction with the players on the Nam in similar locations to the Euro thru 12z Tuesday. Nam's on top, Euro below. I'm on my phone and TT won't let me imbed the direct link...sorry.

One more thing.  NAM looks further south with the northern stream vort. 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021100&fh=84&xpos=0&ypos=0

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021012&fh=96&xpos=14&ypos=31

 

I got a weird feeling about late week.  I wish I hadn't watched that damn Rayno vid.  He gave me hope where there is none :(

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9 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

I know,  I know. BUT, fwiw, 84 hrs Nam is not that far off 12z Euro at 96 hrs. Now, obviously, we don't want exactly what the 12z Euro showed, but something close to it will work. My point is simply, there's a bit of support for northern/southern stream interaction with the players on the Nam in similar locations to the Euro thru 12z Tuesday. Nam's on top, Euro below. I'm on my phone and TT won't let me imbed the direct link...sorry.

One more thing.  NAM looks further south with the northern stream vort. 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021100&fh=84&xpos=0&ypos=0

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021012&fh=96&xpos=14&ypos=31

 

wish that northern vort was farther west and the southern one faster and a bit east.  

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20 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

I know,  I know. BUT, fwiw, 84 hrs Nam is not that far off 12z Euro at 96 hrs. Now, obviously, we don't want exactly what the 12z Euro showed, but something close to it will work. My point is simply, there's a bit of support for northern/southern stream interaction with the players on the Nam in similar locations to the Euro thru 12z Tuesday. Nam's on top, Euro below. I'm on my phone and TT won't let me imbed the direct link...sorry.

One more thing.  NAM looks further south with the northern stream vort. 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021100&fh=84&xpos=0&ypos=0

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf&region=us&pkg=z500a&runtime=2017021012&fh=96&xpos=14&ypos=31

 

I would take the op euro h5. The surface was a mess but that h5 was nearly perfect. 

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