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June 2015 Discussion & Observations


dmillz25

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Bill looks less and less impressive every model run-quicker and less QPF overall...

Your negativity is really causing a lack of judgement lately bro. The Euro showed a very wet Sunday, although things probably clear up around dinner time. All that's really been happening is that models are bringing it in faster.

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The 12Z Euro has heavy overrunning rains with Bill and a cool looking 10 mb pressure

drop once it gets off the Jersey Shore and heads OTS south of Cape Cod. This run is a

Euro version of Danny 1997 lite.

Warmer water than June 2012 sitting offshore. Kind of makes sense in the grand scheme of things.

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Your negativity is really causing a lack of judgement lately bro. The Euro showed a very wet Sunday, although things probably clear up around dinner time. All that's really been happening is that models are bringing it in faster.

I'm being positive-I want it in and out given that's its a weekend and I'll be at the S NJ shore starting Saturday.

Earlier runs had a much stronger system, hence it was windier and wetter than current runs show-looks like it's in and out in 6-10 hours time frame.

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The Euro digs a deep trough into the lakes days 7-10 ushering in a period of -10 to -15 daily departures. Verbatim we struggle to break 70 for a high on June 27th.

Shades of last year and/or Jun '09.   Those spiking the ball that this summer was going to be warmer might be in big trouble.  no sign of anything hot outside a day or two here and there.

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SUN...A WARM FRONT ALONG WITH THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION
BILL WILL GRADUALLY MOVE THROUGH THE REGION...PRESENTING A THREAT
OF HEAVY RAINFALL. HIGH PWAT AIRMASS ALONG WITH A SOUTHERLY LOW-
JET WILL BE IN PLACE...BOTH ABOUT 2 STD DEV ABOVE NORMAL. STRONG
ISENTROPIC ASCENT DURING THE LATE MORNING THRU EARLY AFTERNOON
WILL LEAD TO A PERIOD HEAVY RAFL. ATTM...MODEL SOLUTIONS HAVE
SHOWN LITTLE RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY WITH REGARD TO THE AXIS OF
HEAVIEST RAFL...ANYWHERE FROM THE DELMARVA TO THE I-78 CORRIDOR.
WHERE IT DOES SETUP...A GENERAL 1-2 INCHES OF RAFL IS ANTICIPATED
WITH ISOLATED 3 INCH AMOUNTS POSSIBLE...BASED ON GFS/UKMET QPF
WHICH HAS PERFORMED THE BEST SO FAR WITH THIS SYSTEM.

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Shades of last year and/or Jun '09.   Those spiking the ball that this summer was going to be warmer might be in big trouble.  no sign of anything hot outside a day or two here and there.

 

The last legit summer heat here was back in July 2013. It's pretty tough to extend to a major summer heat 

streak beyond 4 years like we did from 2010-2013. That recent summer heat was even more impressive 

than 52-55 and 93-95.

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The last legit summer heat here was back in July 2013. It's pretty tough to extend to a major summer heat 

streak beyond 4 years like we did from 2010-2013. That recent summer heat was even more impressive 

than 52-55 and 93-95.

yep and that ended on a dime ushering a chilly august.   We've been in a long term cool pattern since then ala -EPO.   Figure we have another year before the Warm pacific pool dissipates and we see more of a +EPO

 

 

 

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yep and that ended on a dime ushering a chilly august.   We've been in a long term cool pattern since then ala -EPO.   Figure we have another year before the Warm pacific pool dissipates and we see more of a +EPO

 

 

 

Yeah, 4 years was also the magic number for the NYC 40"+ snowfall season streak from 02-03 to 05-06.

We had to endure the 06-07 to 08-09 lackluster winters before we found the groove again.

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Shades of last year and/or Jun '09. Those spiking the ball that this summer was going to be warmer might be in big trouble. no sign of anything hot outside a day or two here and there.

Some of us will finish at least plus 1.5 for June

Also I wouldnt put any stock in long range models who flip flop every run

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Some of us will finish at least plus 1.5 for June

Also I wouldnt put any stock in long range models who flip flop every run

There will likely be a decent gradient across the area for monthly temperatures, areas from about Philly SW will be 2+, NYC area about average and then it will be below normal from about Hartford NE.
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Some of us will finish at least plus 1.5 for June

Also I wouldnt put any stock in long range models who flip flop every run

The ensembles consistently build an east coast trough the last week of June. Most sites will finish below normal or close to average. If you have proof of an above average site I would like to see the data.
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The ensembles consistently build an east coast trough the last week of June. Most sites will finish below normal or close to average. If you have proof of an above average site I would like to see the data.

He must be trolling-no one is finishing +1.5 especially based on model data

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He never uses actual data. Just makes it up as he goes and then hopes nobody calls him out.

But everyone's also assuming the data actually plays out as shown. Just because it signals a trough doesn't mean it will happen that way. +1.5 might be too much but a few +1 readings wouldn't surprise me.

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Been very cool in Westchester this week...70F Monday, 75F Tuesday, 77F Wednesday, and 73F today. Modeling has consistently wanted to bring in heat but it continues to be squashed to the south. However a warm front near the area has created quite the gradient...Central Park was close to 80F Mon-Wed while my area was 5-10 degrees cooler...

Should see a region wide cool down as the PNA reasserts itself with lower heights dominating in the East. This lines up nicely with the -SOI period modeled, changes in the MJO, and a more Nino-like atmosphere and resultant CONUS pattern.

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Been very cool in Westchester this week...70F Monday, 75F Tuesday, 77F Wednesday, and 73F today. Modeling has consistently wanted to bring in heat but it continues to be squashed to the south. However a warm front near the area has created quite the gradient...Central Park was close to 80F Mon-Wed while my area was 5-10 degrees cooler...

Should see a region wide cool down as the PNA reasserts itself with lower heights dominating in the East. This lines up nicely with the -SOI period modeled, changes in the MJO, and a more Nino-like atmosphere and resultant CONUS pattern.

 

 

Yeah you can have driven the turnpike tuesday from exit 4(93s) to exit 9 (91) to exit 11 (87) to exit 14 (77) to the low 70s north of there.   Cooler/wetter overall looks likely now 6/18 - 6/28.  Some warm days in there 6/22, 6/24 but looks to overall avg below normal.  What happens the last few days of June will determine if we can close June on the plus side.  I suspect those north of Middlesex have lost the opportunity and will yield a -1.0 to -2.0 in the NYC area.  

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