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1/7 - 1/9 Clipper system


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Have a feeling this is going to over perform for a lot of us, including the Chicago area. Thinking an inch is definitely possible for us, which isn't saying much, but it still an over performer.

Was thinking the same thing looking at the 12z guidance coming in.

Could be more like 1-2" if the 12z OP GFS is right.

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Especially along the lake front. Some serious lake enhancement being modeled on the GFS.

Although we had lake enhancement in an atypical setup on Sunday, I don't think it's lake enhancement tomorrow with southwest winds up to 850 mb. The qpf enhancement over northeast IL occurs due to better lift due to PVA and WAA/fgen as better forcing arrives with the upper wave.

Edit: whoops, misunderstood. you're right, there's definitely gonna be lake enhancement into sw lower MI.

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People complain about the Canadian, but it can be very good handling energy coming out of the Arctic. The model has a much higher resolution in the high latitudes than it does over the conus.

Interesting point. If the higher qpf amounts from the Canadian guidance is correct, we have a problem on our hands with the snow coming in right during the pm commute tomorrow in the Chicago area. Even the ~1-2" amounts on other guidance would be bad enough, plus winds gusting over 30 mph.

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Interesting point. If the higher qpf amounts from the Canadian guidance is correct, we have a problem on our hands with the snow coming in right during the pm commute tomorrow in the Chicago area. Even the ~1-2" amounts on other guidance would be bad enough, plus winds gusting over 30 mph.

 

 

Yeah, that's about as high impact of a 1-2" as possible considering the timing and how cold it is leading into it.

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Interesting point. If the higher qpf amounts from the Canadian guidance is correct, we have a problem on our hands with the snow coming in right during the pm commute tomorrow in the Chicago area. Even the ~1-2" amounts on other guidance would be bad enough, plus winds gusting over 30 mph.

 

yeah....most roads are dicey at best today (and likely through tomorrow) with ground temps and blowing snow (nothing horrible....but dicey).  Throw and inch or 2 on top of the frozen surfaces with the winds and it could end up being one of these low snow-total / higher impact type events given timing and the above mentioned factors

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good to see SREF tagging along....given the ratio issues with the last system....I would think the more telling thing would be the fact that the QPF keeps rising...

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good to see SREF tagging along....given the ratio issues with the last system....I would think the more telling thing would be the fact that the QPF keeps rising...

 

 

It'll be interesting to see what the offices go with for ratios.  Forecast soundings for Chicago indicate a mid level warm layer early on (relatively speaking) which cuts into the DGZ depth.

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It'll be interesting to see what the offices go with for ratios.  Forecast soundings for Chicago indicate a mid level warm layer early on (relatively speaking) which cuts into the DGZ depth.

 

At first it looks like it, yes. But look at this for DPA...at 18z tomorrow it has the look of the previous clipper event with a nice DGZ up top above the warm layer then another below but has that near sfc cold layer like we saw on the 0z DVN raob the other night. 

 

But by 0z you have almost a nearly isothermal layer in the heart of the DGZ from about 900mb-600mb

 

 

Looking at the NAM, it's a little further north, slower with the wave so it hangs onto the warm layer a little longer but collapses it by 3z Friday 

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