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Severe Weather potential 9/8/12


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Great lead up discussion folks.

Anyone chasing? Thoughts on staging city?

Coming from eastern Mass, I'm considering either 90 west or 84 west into southeastern NY...

Just west of CT in SE NY could be a great spot, especially with winds channeling and backing across the Hudson Valley.

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Here's the Public Severe Weather Outlook

ZCZC SPCPWOSPC ALL

WOUS40 KWNS 081010

CTZ000-DEZ000-MAZ000-MDZ000-NHZ000-NJZ000-NYZ000-PAZ000-VTZ000-081800-

PUBLIC SEVERE WEATHER OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0510 AM CDT SAT SEP 08 2012

...SIGNIFICANT SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE

LOWER GREAT LAKES...NEW ENGLAND AND MID-ATLANTIC STATES THIS

AFTERNOON INTO TONIGHT...

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER IN NORMAN OK IS FORECASTING THE

DEVELOPMENT OF WIDESPREAD DAMAGING WINDS AND A FEW TORNADOES OVER

PARTS OF THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...NEW ENGLAND AND MID-ATLANTIC STATES

THIS AFTERNOON INTO TONIGHT.

THE AREAS MOST LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE THIS ACTIVITY INCLUDE

WESTERN AND CENTRAL CONNECTICUT

NORTHERN DELAWARE

WESTERN AND CENTRAL MASSACHUSETTS

NORTHEASTERN MARYLAND

SOUTHWESTERN NEW HAMPSHIRE

NEW JERSEY

CENTRAL AND EASTERN NEW YORK

EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA

CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN VERMONT

ELSEWHERE...SEVERE STORMS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE FROM THE NORTHEASTERN

UNITED STATES INTO THE CAROLINAS

A STRONG UPPER-LEVEL WEATHER SYSTEM WILL MOVE INTO THE NORTHEASTERN

UNITED STATES TODAY INTERACTING WITH A MOIST AND UNSTABLE AIRMASS.

THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP ALONG AND AHEAD OF A FAST MOVING COLD

FRONT WITH SQUALL-LINE DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE THIS AFTERNOON. AS

THE LINE INTENSIFIES...THE THREAT FOR WIDESPREAD WIND DAMAGE AND

TORNADOES WILL INCREASE AS THE LINE MOVES INTO THE STRONGER

INSTABILITY ACROSS THE MODERATE RISK AREA FROM THIS AFTERNOON INTO

TONIGHT. DAMAGING WIND GUSTS WILL BE COMMON ACROSS THE MODERATE RISK

AREA AND SOME LOCATIONS COULD RECEIVE WIND GUSTS OF OVER 70 MPH.

STATE AND LOCAL EMERGENCY MANAGERS ARE MONITORING THIS DEVELOPING

SITUATION. THOSE IN THE THREATENED AREA ARE URGED TO REVIEW SEVERE

WEATHER SAFETY RULES AND TO LISTEN TO RADIO...TELEVISION...AND NOAA

WEATHER RADIO FOR POSSIBLE WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND STATEMENTS LATER

TODAY.

..BROYLES/MEAD/MOSIER.. 09/08/2012

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True

It will probably turn out to be like many prior year cool season QLCS events. What makes tomorrow's interesting is IF scattered supercelss can develop out ahead of the forced line.

Its good so is NOV 16-17 2010. I did a paper on this event.

In NOV 1989 there were actually 2 severe/tornado events in NYS one on the the 16th the other on the 20th.

Here are some research papers on these events. I have them buried somewhere in my library if your interested I find them and send them to you.

LaPenta, K., and Barton, R. April,1993: The 20 November 1989 Northeast

Severe Weather Outbreak. Eastern Region Technical Attachment

No. 93-4A

Nemeth, J.S., Jr., and Farina, K., June, 1994: The Role of Jetstreaks in the

Tornadic Development of the November 16, 1989 over the Northeast

United States. Eastern Region Technical Attachment

No. 94-6A

Yes remember those well, the 20 th was the dry wind burst low dew point type. Should be a crazy afternoon CT River valley west., currently low clouds here.

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How often do we have screaming southerly winds in September with a very moist low-level airmass and have lots of sun.

Hey Wiz,

Suns out here and I can see a few low level clouds racing in from the south. The hudson valley area from KSWF to KALB. Will be interesting today. Good luck up in your area too !!

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Hey Wiz,

Suns out here and I can see a few low level clouds racing in from the south. The hudson valley area from KSWF to KALB. Will be interesting today. Good luck up in your area too !!

Your area could get pretty wild later on. HRRR and RAP all develop anywhere from 1500-2000+ Cape across portions of SE NY into extreme western CT...that's pretty significant given the dynamics we're working with.

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Your area could get pretty wild later on. HRRR and RAP all develop anywhere from 1500-2000+ Cape across portions of SE NY into extreme western CT...that's pretty significant given the dynamics we're working with.

I think I'll put the pool floats in the shed :whistle: We'll see what SPC has to say in the 1300z outlook.

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Your area could get pretty wild later on. HRRR and RAP all develop anywhere from 1500-2000+ Cape across portions of SE NY into extreme western CT...that's pretty significant given the dynamics we're working with.

I guess the question is, how far east does the severe stuff make it? Is this just a western CT event or could we see some severe condition Hartford east?

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Sounds like a TOR coming soon?

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1926

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0742 AM CDT SAT SEP 08 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...CNTRL NY AND CNTRL-ERN PA

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 081242Z - 081415Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...95 PERCENT

SUMMARY...A SEVERE THREAT IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP THIS MORNING FROM

CNTRL NY SWD INTO ECNTRL PA. INITIALLY THIS MORNING...WIND DAMAGE

WILL LIKELY BE THE PRIMARY THREAT BUT A TORNADO THREAT IS ALSO

EXPECTED TO DEVELOP THIS AFTERNOON. WW ISSUANCE WILL LIKELY BECOME

NECESSARY ACROSS THE REGION IN THE MID TO LATE MORNING TIMEFRAME.

DISCUSSION...THE LATEST WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A STRONG

UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE GREAT LAKES AND OH VALLEY. AHEAD OF THE

SYSTEM...VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS BREAKS IN THE CLOUD COVER

ACROSS NY AND CNTRL PA WHERE SFC TEMPS ARE ALREADY IN THE MID 70S F.

IN ADDITION...MODIFYING THE PITTSBURG 12Z SOUNDING PRODUCES NO CAP

BY MID-MORNING SUGGESTING CONVECTION WILL INITIATE AND DEVELOP

QUICKLY AS SFC TEMPS CONTINUE TO WARM. INCREASING INSTABILITY ALONG

WITH STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR PROFILES WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE

STORM DEVELOPMENT AS A LINE OF STORMS ORGANIZES AND MOVES QUICKLY

EWD ACROSS THE REGION THIS AFTERNOON. ALSO...STRONG LOW-LEVEL SHEAR

SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR TORNADOES WITH DISCRETE CELL ELEMENTS AHEAD

OF THE LINE OR WITH BOWING LINE SEGMENTS.

..BROYLES/MEAD.. 09/08/2012

ATTN...WFO...ALY...PHI...BGM...BUF...CTP..

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Mentions Serial Derecho which I mentioned yesterday!!!

...NERN U.S. INTO CAROLINAS...

LATEST NUMERICAL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE MOST SIGNIFICANT

RESPONSE TO ABOVE-MENTIONED SHORTWAVE TROUGH /AS SEEN IN MASS AND

MOISTURE FLUXES AND TIGHTENING HEIGHT GRADIENTS/ WILL DEVELOP FROM

THE LOWER GREAT LAKES THIS MORNING INTO ERN QUEBEC AND NRN NEW

ENGLAND BY AFTERNOON. THE NET RESULT OF THIS PROCESS WILL BE AN

INCREASE IN BOTH LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE /AND RESULTANT INSTABILITY/ AND

VERTICAL SHEAR ACROSS THE MODERATE RISK AREA THROUGH THE PEAK OF THE

DIURNAL HEATING CYCLE.

THE STRONGLY FORCED NATURE OF THIS SYNOPTIC SYSTEM HAS RESULTED IN

REASONABLY GOOD AGREEMENT BY THE CONVECTION-ALLOWING MODELS WITH

REGARD TO STORM EVOLUTION AND DOMINANT MODE. THESE DATA SUGGEST THE

RAPID DEVELOPMENT AND SUBSEQUENT UPSCALE GROWTH OF TSTMS INTO A QLCS

BY LATE MORNING/EARLY AFTERNOON FROM CNTRL NY/PA TO NRN VA. THIS

SCENARIO IS GENERALLY SUPPORTED BY THE 12Z BUF/PIT SOUNDINGS WHICH

REVEALED LITTLE OR NO CAP AND AN ALREADY STRONG DEEP-LAYER WIND

FIELD.

BREAKS IN THE CLOUDS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER

SHOULD YIELD A MODERATELY UNSTABLE ENVIRONMENT BY AFTERNOON WITH

MLCAPE RANGING FROM AROUND 1000 J/KG OVER NRN PORTION OF MODERATE

RISK AREA...TO 1500-2000 J/KG IN THE SOUTH. WHEN COUPLED WITH 50-60

KT OF DEEP-LAYER SHEAR...SETUP WILL SUPPORT EMBEDDED BOWING/LEWP

STRUCTURES AND SUPERCELLS. THE OVERALL SYNOPTIC PATTERN SUGGESTS

THE POTENTIAL FOR A SERIAL-TYPE DERECHO EVENT...CHARACTERIZED BY

WIDESPREAD AND SIGNIFICANT DAMAGING WINDS.

TORNADO POTENTIAL WILL BE MAXIMIZED DURING THE MID-LATE AFTERNOON

HOURS FROM NERN PA/NRN NJ NWD INTO THE HUDSON VALLEY/WRN NEW ENGLAND

WHERE THE NRN EXTENSION OF STRONGER INSTABILITY ALIGNS WITH A

CORRIDOR OF ENHANCED LOW-LEVEL SHEAR /I.E. EFFECTIVE SRH VALUES OF

200-300+ M2 PER S2/. THE OVERALL TORNADO THREAT MAY BE MODULATED BY

THE ANTICIPATED LINEAR CONVECTIVE MODE AND ASSOCIATED WITH EMBEDDED

MESOCYCLONES AND SHALLOWER MESOVORTICES.

BOTH VERTICAL SHEAR AND THE POTENTIAL FOR HIGHER-ORDER STORM MODES

WILL DECREASE WITH SWD EXTENT FROM CNTRL VA INTO THE CAROLINAS.

HOWEVER...THE PRESENCE OF A MOIST AND MODERATELY UNSTABLE BOUNDARY

LAYER /I.E. MLCAPE OF 1500-2500 J PER KG/ WILL PROMOTE THE EVOLUTION

OF LINE SEGMENTS AND MULTICELLS ALONG AND AHEAD OF COLD FRONT WITH A

RISK FOR MAINLY DAMAGING WIND GUSTS THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING

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