CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You know what I find odd is there were no damage reports anywhere around BDL. They had a gust to 61 mph so surely there was some trees down. This happened a year or 2 ago when they reported strong winds in a severe storm and i drove up there that day after work and there was nothing down.. Not even leaves in Suffield or Windsor. I find it hard to believe the only place that had that gust was right over the ASOS It was actually 63 mph. But yeah I didn't hear of any damage reports around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am sure wind direction played a roll in very little damage, Up here NNW winds could be 50-60 mph and have some effect but turn them from SSE and look out, Trees are not use to blowing hard that direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It was actually 63 mph. But yeah I didn't hear of any damage reports around there. Isn't that odd? And fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am sure wind direction played a roll in very little damage, Up here NW winds could be 50-60 mph and have some effect but turn them from SSE and look out, Trees are not use to blowing hard that direction A sudden 63 mph Nw gust in a squall is certainly going to take some trees down anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 A sudden 63 mph Nw gust in a squall is certainly going to take some trees down anywhere. Well you would think so but i have clocked winds in the 60's in gust's and have had limited effects other then some small branches getting strewn around, Of course if they fall in the middle of the woods somewhere i wont see it or hear it.........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well you would think so but i have clocked winds in the 60's in gust's and have had limited effects other then some small branches getting strewn around, And I bet that was in winter with no leaves in trees. Not even any limbs down reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 And I bet that was in winter with no leaves in trees. Not even any limbs down reports No, It was when we have had a couple tropical systems come thru here, Winter time in some of these Nor 'easters 40-50 mph is common, But it is kind of odd that there is no reports at all down that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 No, It was when we have had a couple tropical systems come thru here, Winter time in some of these Nor 'easters 40-50 mph is common, But it is kind of odd that there is no reports at all down that way You can probably see an instantaneous gust to 55 knots and not see much damage. If you start getting 30-45 seconds of it you're going to start getting damage. Also some of these gusts can be quite isolated. It's conceivable 50+ knot gusts were spread out over a large portion of the airport and there were few trees to actually damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The microburst in Danbury near one of the middle schools may have produced 70+ knot gusts based on the damage I've seen on video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You can probably see an instantaneous gust to 55 knots and not see much damage. If you start getting 30-45 seconds of it you're going to start getting damage. Also some of these gusts can be quite isolated. It's conceivable 50+ knot gusts were spread out over a large portion of the airport and there were few trees to actually damage. That was my thinking, I am very familiar with Windsor Locks and Bradley, Not many trees right around the airport is for certain so would not expect much damage there but a quick burst as you mentioned would not produce as much damage as winds sustained at these higher speeds, So it may have been over a smaller isolated area, I guess tipped lawn chairs and umbrellas don't count............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The microburst in Danbury near one of the middle schools may have produced 70+ knot gusts based on the damage I've seen on video. And those are entirely a different animal and was caught in the middle of one at the Marina on Long Lake in Naples a few years back that picked up a wooden picnic table and tossed it 150' into the cove, Hvy, Hvy tree damage along with boats ripped from there moorings, Torn and missing boat canvas, Power poles bent right over on that one, I thought we were headed to Kansas like Dorothy as a bunch of us hit the deck in the store at the marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 via a friend's FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The 55 knot gust at BDL was accompanied by the least impressive storm imaginable on radar lol. Just went back and looked at the level 2 data. Wow that thing was lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The most impressive storm of the day was the hailer up in Union/Woodstock. That thing was a monster with 75dbz to 30kft and the overshooting top up to 60kft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 via a friend's FB Some great storm structure photos out there from yesterday. Unfortunately, the piece of evidence that is getting touted as a funnel cloud near Lynn has me a bit skeptical. It is awfully shaky video, that is very zoomed in (no idea of storm structure and position). Can I say it isn't a funnel, no. Can I say it is a funnel, no. But to me it looks awfully like a low hanging, ragged shelf cloud. The shaking makes it very hard to determine potential rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The 55 knot gust at BDL was accompanied by the least impressive storm imaginable on radar lol. Just went back and looked at the level 2 data. Wow that thing was lame. The whole thing is very, very sketchy. it looked awful and no damage in any surrounding towns or at BDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The whole thing is very, very sketchy. it looked awful and no damage in any surrounding towns or at BDL. I don't think it's sketchy... it happens. Sometimes you get an isolated gust from a crappy collapsing core. The METAR looked legit. KBDL 181851Z 27007KT 10SM -TSRA BKN065CB 26/22 A2976 RMK AO2 PK WND 27055/1835 TSB30RAB26 SLP075 FRQLTG ICCG E SW TS E MOV E DSNT SW MOV E P0033 T02560222 $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct_yankee Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 In regards to the Lynn storm, according to this article NWS is saying yes it's a funnel based entirely on the video! Officials said a swirling cloud that started to reach toward the ground near Lynn appeared to be a funnel cloud, leading the National Weather Service to issue a tornado warning for the area.Glenn Field, of the NWS, said after seeing videos of the cloud, it did appear to be the beginning of a funnel cloud. The Weather Service said it does not have any reports of a tornado touching down in the area, but it did see what appeared to be a waterspout touch down off the coast of Nahant on radar. For real? I've looked and looked at that footage and there is no obvious rotation I can see, no real motion at all, in fact it's pretty clear there is not rotation at the top portion of the so-called funnel. There's no way I would say it's definitely a funnel. Maybe they have access to some other video that shows more? They do mention videos, in the plural. If there is other better footage I'd love to see it. I find it strange that they would go that far based on this footage alone. Heck, if that's a funnel then what I saw is definitely a funnel. In regard to the other funnel image that someone posted, the one taken at the airport, I wouldn't definitively call that one a funnel either. What looks at first like a funnel tapering down towards the ground might be a trick of perspective, I can just as easily see it as a linear cloud base tapering off into the distance rather than down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here's an email we got from the NWS yesterday about it Hi all, As FYI, we do believe that the photos on You Tube and elsewhere were of a legitimate funnel cloud from Woburn to Peabody to Nahant, MA ... and based on radar, which intensified east of there, it may have even touched down as a waterspout a few miles east of Nahant. There were no reports to confirm this... hopefully there were no boats there. -- Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 In regards to the Lynn storm, according to this article NWS is saying yes it's a funnel based entirely on the video! For real? I've looked and looked at that footage and there is no obvious rotation I can see, no real motion at all, in fact it's pretty clear there is not rotation at the top portion of the so-called funnel. There's no way I would say it's definitely a funnel. Maybe they have access to some other video that shows more? They do mention videos, in the plural. If there is other better footage I'd love to see it. I find it strange that they would go that far based on this footage alone. Heck, if that's a funnel then what I saw is definitely a funnel. In regard to the other funnel image that someone posted, the one taken at the airport, I wouldn't definitively call that one a funnel either. What looks at first like a funnel tapering down towards the ground might be a trick of perspective, I can just as easily see it as a linear cloud base tapering off into the distance rather than down. Based off the photos near Logan that I've seen, there is some excellent HP structure to the storm (which matches radar well). There is a well defined inflow tail, large precip core with shelf cloud on the leading edge, and the meso would be tucked back behind the precip immediately west of the inflow tail. This would make seeing a funnel cloud very difficult without being in the bear's cage. At the same time, based on that type of structure there was a well defined low level circulation present, and a funnel cloud is not out of the question. I just don't think the video shows one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here's an email we got from the NWS yesterday about it Hi all, As FYI, we do believe that the photos on You Tube and elsewhere were of a legitimate funnel cloud from Woburn to Peabody to Nahant, MA ... and based on radar, which intensified east of there, it may have even touched down as a waterspout a few miles east of Nahant. There were no reports to confirm this... hopefully there were no boats there. -- Glenn yesssss!!!!!! we called it as it happened... just wish we had someone on a boat somewhere that could snap a photo with the Boston skyline in the background, talk about spectacular and rare photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Based off the photos near Logan that I've seen, there is some excellent HP structure to the storm (which matches radar well). There is a well defined inflow tail, large precip core with shelf cloud on the leading edge, and the meso would be tucked back behind the precip immediately west of the inflow tail. This would make seeing a funnel cloud very difficult without being in the bear's cage. At the same time, based on that type of structure there was a well defined low level circulation present, and a funnel cloud is not out of the question. I just don't think the video shows one. I thought it may be one of those leading edge type lowering scud or perhaps rotating funnel, but it looked tough to see rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 via a friend's FB spectacular shot, thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct_yankee Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Based off the photos near Logan that I've seen, there is some excellent HP structure to the storm (which matches radar well). There is a well defined inflow tail, large precip core with shelf cloud on the leading edge, and the meso would be tucked back behind the precip immediately west of the inflow tail. This would make seeing a funnel cloud very difficult without being in the bear's cage. At the same time, based on that type of structure there was a well defined low level circulation present, and a funnel cloud is not out of the question. I just don't think the video shows one. Yeah, I agree. I'm not saying it definitely wasn't a funnel, it could well be a funnel - there was enough rotation in the cell for sure - but I just can't tell one way or the other based on the video and pics I've seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I thought it may be one of those leading edge type lowering scud or perhaps rotating funnel, but it looked tough to see rotation. I may just be more conservative on these things. I don't think that video shows one way or another, therefore why are we choosing to say it is a funnel cloud? I don't think we need to constantly dumb things down for public consumption. We say funnel cloud, and that becomes tornado, and then all the damage on the North Shore becomes tornado damage. Then again I am just downloading the data now, so maybe I see something that changes my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I may just be more conservative on these things. I don't think that video shows one way or another, therefore why are we choosing to say it is a funnel cloud? I don't think we need to constantly dumb things down for public consumption. We say funnel cloud, and that becomes tornado, and then all the damage on the North Shore becomes tornado damage. Then again I am just downloading the data now, so maybe I see something that changes my mind. I have no idea either. To me I couldn't tell one way or another, just throwing the possibility it may be a classic SNE scraggly looking deal. I really couldn't say. I didn't look at it hard enough or long enough to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 There was a weak couplet iirc just when it started moving offshore. I wish the guy at Boston Light looked to his north. That place is manned I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I'm somewhat surprised this hasn't been formally addressed in a BOX discussion or some other report by the NWS... a true funnel cloud on the North Shore or waterspout in Boston Harbor is a pretty rare and big deal, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I like this picture from Arlington, 80 mph winds reported from BOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Well after taking a look at the data, that storm really went to town just offshore. If anyone was caught in that, I bet it was a wild ride. At first taking a look at reflectivity data, I'm surprised there weren't more significant hail reports from the North Shore. Dual-pol data actually helps out quite a bit in this case. ZDRs are near 0, so hail is dominating the signal, and CCs have a corresponding reduction in values. However, KDPs remain quite high, indicating that a lot of liquid water is present in the volume, and very heavy rainfall was occurring at the time based on flooding reports. This is in stark contrast to a few volume scans later, once the storm had moved east of Nahant. ZDR actually becomes negative at the lowest elevation, indicating possibly giant hail. Very low CC again matches the very large hail idea. As a result, KDP is not calculated for this area, and that black hole of no data can be a clue to large hail. The storm relative motion is interesting, in that the areas that draw your eye are far removed from the reflectivity gradients (where you would expect a tornadic signature to be). So I think we're looking more at the low level inflow into the storm rather than tornadic circulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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