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Southeast Mid/Long Range Discussion III


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Thanks Gaston for the map. This snow has been showing i think for a few runs. If we can get into the day 5 and under period might be worth something and also i liked your post earlier about it's still early.

Thanks. Like I said, there is still some time left to sneak in at least a couple of good events for the winter but when that happens and who they affect is what we don't know unfortunately. It could begin during the mid period of February or it may take until the late period and we will really need to have things situate themselves correctly to pull off a big one for the Southeast, which I like to take a guess at it and say that such an event could be in store as we wrap things up just before March arrives. Just a gut feeling of course but would be nice if that came to pass. The hardest part of this whole season it seems is waiting for the moment to present itself but has been rather "shy" to show its face. We shall see where we go from here once we end this month. I suspect this winter is making quite a few mets and fellow weather enthusiasts out there rip their hair off, especially those that were constantly changing their winter outlook during late November and early December thanks to all the model hugging they were doing. In my case, I am just taking it all in stride and just accepting what plays out without losing sleep over it. As the saying goes: Patience is a virtue.

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Between 150 and 168 hours the ecmwf has a s/w digging into the Southeast, with some development in the Carolinas. This is the cold chasing moisture approach, but its not that warm before the precip develops so there could be snow. Something to watch. That storm goes just offshore and bombs out in eastern Canada, so atleast a decent cold airmass follows, then another digging s/w in a repetitive pattern by day 9 or so, with more cold air. The ensembles of each: GFS keeps more west coast ridging than euro does through the run and has been for a while , so we'll see beginning this weekend if it verifies. Its 5H look would have several systems coming into the east, in a climo type track, with some cold air to work with over the next 2 weeks. Both have atleast a little bit of a pattern change with cold air arriving in the east, but brief warmups between systems. This is the type of pattern where the details matter, and could end up with a threat, just have to see the timing and track of each system.

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Wow I woke up at like 3 A.M. but in my sleepy slumber I didn't even notice that little clipper. The good thing is that at least the Euro is showing something. The bad thing is it's a clipper! Argg..

It's a front diving in from Canada which looked like a clipper of sorts but then it pops a SLP off the VA/NC coast. If it would dig south more it would be much better for us.

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It's a front diving in from Canada which looked like a clipper of sorts but then it pops a SLP off the VA/NC coast. If it would dig south more it would be much better for us.

Yea lots of ifs and buts in that one. Certainly your back yard has a better shot with those. Either way 12z runs should be fun to see just how much they change.

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the GGEM also has that wave digging pretty far west, but we will have to wait and see how the runs go this week. The cold air will probably be in place for Tn and NC , but we'd need to see that wave dive far enough west to amplify around Sunday. Right now the coastal sections would be the first place that has the highest chance of any effects, but the way some of these s/w have gone much further west means its something to watch.

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Yea lots of ifs and buts in that one. Certainly your back yard has a better shot with those. Either way 12z runs should be fun to see just how much they change.

The WunderMap Euro snowfall does look interesting for Mts and northern NC up into Va......for whatever reason I can't post the image from the site but here is the link......

http://www.wundergro...&stormreports=0

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The WunderMap Euro snowfall does look interesting for Mts and northern NC up into Va......for whatever reason I can't post the image from the site but here is the link......

http://www.wundergro...&stormreports=0

Yea saw what Gaston posted earlier. I'm a jealous person though, I want it for MBY! Seen too many I-40 north storms!

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Yea saw what Gaston posted earlier. I'm a jealous person though, I want it for MBY! Seen too many I-40 north storms!

Dang my bad.....he sure did. The excitement of some snow on any map got to me and I overlooked that!

Well the NAO is headed down, will this be enough or in time to create some blocking to help the sw dive more west and south??? If 12z still gives some hope maybe just maybe.....at least it's not voodoo land.

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Dang my bad.....he sure did. The excitement of some snow on any map got to me and I overlooked that!

Well the NAO is headed down, will this be enough or in time to create some blocking to help the sw dive more west and south??? If 12z still gives some hope maybe just maybe.....at least it's not voodoo land.

It looks to average out to neutral. (but) It seems I read somewhere where this may be a good setup to be in for the SE.

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I'm late about this since I wasn't around yesterday but I saw the crap that happened yesterday and it pretty much pissed me off. I know this winter might be getting to some people but here's the deal, We are going to keep this thread/forum up to the standards we have set for years and anyone who doesn't meet those standards is going to be delt with.

And I want anyone who is being a jackass to be reported or pm me personally. If NC or myself isn't around, we can't deal with it unless someone reports it. So report these people folks and keep things on topic and respectful.

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It looks to average out to neutral. (but) It seems I read somewhere where this may be a good setup to be in for the SE.

I have read that too.....think we need to be careful what we wish for sometimes, if the NAO were to tank we flip from mild and wet to cold and dry which would still possibly equal no snow. As active as this pattern has been this year and as cold as those just across the US border have been I like our chances if the NAO was neutral or just slightly neg......

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I have read that too.....think we need to be careful what we wish for sometimes, if the NAO were to tank we flip from mild and wet to cold and dry which would still possibly equal no snow. As active as this pattern has been this year and as cold as those just across the US border have been I like our chances if the NAO was neutral or just slightly neg......

Agree 100%. The only good thing about cold and dry is that when something does come along, it tends to stick or freeze really good. Still it can agonizing waiting on precip. I think neutral to slightly negative is the way to go.

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Agree 100%. The only good thing about cold and dry is that when something does come along, it tends to stick or freeze really good. Still it can agonizing waiting on precip. I think neutral to slightly negative is the way to go.

TW

What we really need is the PNA to go positive. Don S wasn't so optimistic in his latest post over in the general weather forum. Can't give up hope though. All we need is one well timed event.

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earlier I thought this weeks cutoff in Texas would slide east to the Carolinas and then attach and phase with one of the incoming northern stream s/w, but this run of GFS isn't doing that. But it still does seem to be building a decent PNA ridge so we'll see how things evolve. This looks like another good soaker, esp. from Texas to the northern Gulf states toward the Apps.

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earlier I thought this weeks cutoff in Texas would slide east to the Carolinas and then attach and phase with one of the incoming northern stream s/w, but this run of GFS isn't doing that. But it still does seem to be building a decent PNA ridge so we'll see how things evolve. This looks like another good soaker, esp. from Texas to the northern Gulf states toward the Apps.

Yea @117 looks like a good bit of colder air is driving down.

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It seems it hardly ever works out in favor of snow if it is an event where we have to have the timing just right. It always ends up too warm, or the precip goes away or goes somewhere else. It seems the only time we can get snow around here is when we see a massive system that bombs just off the coast or we don't see anything coming at all, as in Jan 2000.

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It seems it hardly ever works out in favor of snow if it is an event where we have to have the timing just right. It always ends up too warm, or the precip goes away or goes somewhere else. It seems the only time we can get snow around here is when we see a massive system that bombs just off the coast or we don't see anything coming at all, as in Jan 2000.

Timing always has to be just right in the south.....

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It seems it hardly ever works out in favor of snow if it is an event where we have to have the timing just right. It always ends up too warm, or the precip goes away or goes somewhere else. It seems the only time we can get snow around here is when we see a massive system that bombs just off the coast or we don't see anything coming at all, as in Jan 2000.

The timing always has to be right with snow in the SE outside of the mountains...nothing new!

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Of course I say that and in the LR after 200 it looks nothing like the Euro at the surface.

Looks like early on it tries to build the pac ridge but just never really gets where we need it......at the 500mb it looks fairly zonal followed by more troughiness out west followed by an attempt to pump the pac ridge followed by..........hope I'm looking at it wrong. We need some blocking....

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