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Remnant Low Rina.


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An intensifying hurricane tends to get smaller/slightly more compact with time. It's covered in Merrill (1984), using ROCI (radius of outermost closed isobar) as the size metric.

It looks like in that paper Merrill is referring to a tightening of the isobars corresponding with a decrease in RMW and increase in maximum winds. This makes sense, as we often see the core of the cyclone tighten. I guess what I was more referring to was the overall satellite presentation, in which the outer cloud tops diminished as the center of the cyclone strengthened, which I believe to be slightly less common. Even if the ROCI decreases, an intensification is usually in conjunction with an increase in outflow and gives the appearance of a larger cyclone, although this is just something I have no proof of, just an observation. :)

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URNT12 KNHC 251816

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182011

A. 25/18:03:00Z

B. 17 deg 19 min N

084 deg 15 min W

C. 700 mb 2859 m

D. 119 kt

E. 337 deg 9 nm

F. 077 deg 92 kt

G. 337 deg 9 nm

H. 972 mb

I. 6 C / 3063 m

J. 16 C / 3041 m

K. 5 C / NA

L. OPEN SE

M. C17

N. 12345 / 7

O. 0.02 / 1 nm

P. AF306 0418A RINA OB 08

MAX FL WIND 92 KT NW QUAD 18:00:00Z

CLOUDS IN EYE. OCNL MDT TURBC IN EYEWALL.

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Well then.

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URNT12 KNHC 251816

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182011

A. 25/18:03:00Z

B. 17 deg 19 min N

084 deg 15 min W

C. 700 mb 2859 m

D. 119 kt

E. 337 deg 9 nm

F. 077 deg 92 kt

G. 337 deg 9 nm

H. 972 mb

I. 6 C / 3063 m

J. 16 C / 3041 m

K. 5 C / NA

L. OPEN SE

M. C17

N. 12345 / 7

O. 0.02 / 1 nm

P. AF306 0418A RINA OB 08

MAX FL WIND 92 KT NW QUAD 18:00:00Z

CLOUDS IN EYE. OCNL MDT TURBC IN EYEWALL.

;

Well then.

Numbers don't lie unless corrected later.

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Does anyone know why they disregarded the dropsonde that recorded the 97 kt surface wind earlier around 0830z? I'm assuming they either didn't believe it given the much lower SFMR and flight level winds, or they thought the dropsonde didn't reach the surface, but the 987 mb surface pressure on that drop would suggest otherwise.

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Does anyone know why they disregarded the dropsonde that recorded the 97 kt surface wind earlier around 0830z? I'm assuming they either didn't believe it given the much lower SFMR and flight level winds, or they thought the dropsonde didn't reach the surface, but the 987 mb surface pressure on that drop would suggest otherwise.

Educated guess... but it probably was caught in convection.

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Looks like a mistake from whoever wrote it up:

180000 1728N 08419W 6961 02987 9890 +067 +037 078089 092 119 055 03

That's why I added the 'corrected later' statement. I saw that flagged ob and thought something looked fishy.

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That's more believable...

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URNT12 KNHC 251935

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182011

A. 25/19:23:40Z

B. 17 deg 20 min N

084 deg 16 min W

C. 700 mb 2853 m

D. 85 kt

E. 034 deg 10 nm

F. 122 deg 91 kt

G. 034 deg 11 nm

H. 972 mb

I. 9 C / 3052 m

J. 14 C / 3047 m

K. 5 C / NA

L. SMALL OPENINGS S

M. C14

N. 12345 / 07

O. 0.02 / 1 nm

P. AF306 0418A RINA OB 14

MAX FL WIND 92 KT NW QUAD 18:00:00Z

LOTS OF CLOUDS IN EYE. SOME TURBC IN EYEWALL OUTBOUND.

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From what I understand, the dry air prevents convection from forming in the outer bands, due to entrainment choking off the updrafts. If there was convection at outer radii, there would be PV generation which would expand the area of cyclonic PV, leading to a broader wind field and TC size. Hill and Lackmann (2009) discusses this in a lot further detail.

Thanks for the reading material... The PV explanation makes logical sense.

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I wonder... What's going to make Rina take a different path than Wilma did back in 2005? Of course, they're nowhere near the same strenghth, but what other features turned Wilma and slammed her into SE Florida vs. what features are going to take Rina into Cuba?

The Cold front in the US mid-section, ofcourse though, there was a senario in which made Rina rain it self out in the Yucatan without movement, an idiotic move, but thats what the models are showing at the moment.

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Cloud top are cooling this evening and it appears the Rina will develop a tight inner core. While a 'clear' eye may never be observed with this cyclone, it does look to have a 'protected' inner core. G-IV data so far suggests some very dry air to the W of Rina, so that may be an issue as it makes its approach along the Coastal areas of the Yucatan.

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URNT12 KWBC 252313

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182011

A. 25/2248Z

B. 17 DEG 26 MIN N

84 DEG 28 MIN W

C. 700 MB 2830 M

D. 103 KT

E. 348 DEG 6 NM

F. 061 DEG 103 KT

G. 342 DEG 11 NM

H. 966 MB

I. 10 C/3030 M

J. 20 C/3036 M

K. 8 C/NA

L. OPEN SE

M. C17

N. 12345/7

O. 1/1 NM

P. NOAA2 0518A RINA OB 08

MAX FL WIND 103 KT NW QUAD 2239Z

MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND 100KT SE QUAD 2245Z

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