Chicago WX Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh, I thought you wanted to move some place snowy . Seriously though, as a person who lives in a 45-60"/annum snowfall area, it can be really frustrating, even moreso than in less snowy climos. You get enough snow to get a solid taste for it, but that means that when the pattern is warm/wet you jones for it more, whereas in a place that gets ~25"/year, you expect to have near snowless winters and can handle those snowless patterns better. At least that's my take on it. Head for the belts man. No disappointments there. You have a point. LAF is probably close to the southern part of a "consistent" somewhat snowy climate (25-30"), without but the rare "disaster" from time to time...but still close enough to have good/great winters. I'm thinking all around though: 1) good job prospects for a "seasonal job" (golf), 2) a decently fun place, 3) avg snow of 40"+, and 4) less likely to face constant summer time heat/humidity. I have too many qualifiers most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm glad I got to experience a sleet storm like that, but it sorta sucks that there was a band of 20" snows not all that far away. The conditions that night were just miserable...temps in the low 20's with moderate/heavy sleet and gusts over 40 mph, although that doesn't sound bad right now. I agree. It was a first for me, and the conditions were something else. But being relatively close to the all snow zone was very frustrating as well. Of course it shows the extremes a lot of us experience in the Midwest (blizzards, ice storms, cold waves, tornadoes, severe weather, flooding rains, heat waves)...I really wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have a point. LAF is probably close to the southern part of a "consistent" somewhat snowy climate (25-30"), without but the rare "disaster" from time to time...but still close enough to have good/great winters. I'm thinking all around though: 1) good job prospects for a "seasonal job" (golf), 2) a decently fun place, 3) avg snow of 40"+, and 4) less likely to face constant summer time heat/humidity. I have too many qualifiers most likely. Well, whatever choices you make Tim, good luck. It's about time for me to slink away from the board for another couple of weeks. And when I return, we'll be a couple of weeks closer to WINTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Well, whatever choices you make Tim, good luck. It's about time for me to slink away from the board for another couple of weeks. And when I return, we'll be a couple of weeks closer to WINTER! Damn straight. Talk to you later man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Agreed. Ready for fall/winter after this heatwave. Will be nice to experience winter far NW of metro Detroit for a change. Well, whatever choices you make Tim, good luck. It's about time for me to slink away from the board for another couple of weeks. And when I return, we'll be a couple of weeks closer to WINTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Yeah, EC nailed this one. Anthony Farnell was going for a cooler/wetter summer because of the decaying La Nina and the fact that the wet spring we had increased soil moisture, which in turns lead to more convective precip (not saying I completely agree with his reasoning, but that's what it was). In any case, this has been the first overall hot/dry summer since 2007. And I enjoyed immensely the winter than followed that summer. So here's hoping for more of the same. Let's hope so. Usually winters after hot summers are good, but there are exceptions. Off the top of my head, here's a list of hot summers in Toronto in the last 25 years and a description of what happened the following winter: 1988: The 1988-89 winter had below average snowfall. The fall season was cool, especially in October, but it turned mild in November and the warmth lasted until early February. The rest of Feb, March and April were colder than normal, but it was kind of too late. However, there was a nice snow to freezing rain event on St. Patrick's Day. 4" of snow and then close to an inch of ice. 1995: The 1995-96 winter averaged somewhat below normal temperature wise and snowfall was around normal. Winter got off to a quick start with 12" of snow in November, but the rest of the winter months had below average snowfall. March and April had above normal snow. There were some major misses--Jan. 2/3 and the Ohio Valley storm on March 20th. The latter was tough to take. 8-10" was forecast the day before, but only 2-4" fell as the best snows were in SW Ontario. 2002: Golden. 1999 and 2005: Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Saturday, July 23rd: Hi: 86F Lo: 70F Overall Sky Conditions: Mostly Cloudy Max Wind Gust: 35MPH Rainfall: 2.51" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Well, we definitely peaked here. YYZ hit 100 on Thursday. That happens maybe once every 10 years. So I'm confident the worse is behind us. . Actually, the 101 in downtown Toronto on Thursday was the first 100+ reading since September 2nd, 1953. Amazing. Pearson Airport got to 100 on July 7th, 1988 (downtown 99) and on August 8th, 2001 (downtown 99). Here's a list of 100+ days in downtown Toronto since record keeping began in 1840: July 2, 1911 (101) July 3, 1999 (103) July 30, 1916 (100) July 8, 1936 (105) July 9, 1936 (105) July 10, 1936 (105) July 13, 1936 (100) July 21, 2011 (101)-->38.2 C August 24, 1854 (100) August 7, 1918 (101) August 13, 1918 (102) August 25, 1948 (101) August 28, 1948 (100) September 2, 1953 (100) It also got up to 99 (36.8 C) in downtown Toronto on August 1, 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Actually, the 101 in downtown Toronto on Thursday was the first 100+ reading since September 2nd, 1953. Amazing. Pearson Airport got to 100 on July 7th, 1988 (downtown 99) and on August 8th, 2001 (downtown 99). Here's a list of 100+ days in downtown Toronto since record keeping began in 1840: July 2, 1911 (101) July 3, 1999 (103) July 30, 1916 (100) July 8, 1936 (105) July 9, 1936 (105) July 10, 1936 (105) July 13, 1936 (100) July 21, 2011 (101)-->38.2 C August 24, 1854 (100) August 7, 1918 (101) August 13, 1918 (102) August 25, 1948 (101) August 28, 1948 (100) September 2, 1953 (100) It also got up to 99 (36.8 C) in downtown Toronto on August 1, 2006. I could have sworn that it got to 100F in August 1995 (the day of the Spadina subway accident). It was a very hot day from what I remember, but maybe not that hot. Thanks for the info though T4, 100 degree days even less frequent than I believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanis Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Actually, the 101 in downtown Toronto on Thursday was the first 100+ reading since September 2nd, 1953. Amazing. Pearson Airport got to 100 on July 7th, 1988 (downtown 99) and on August 8th, 2001 (downtown 99). Here's a list of 100+ days in downtown Toronto since record keeping began in 1840: July 2, 1911 (101) July 3, 1999 (103) July 30, 1916 (100) July 8, 1936 (105) July 9, 1936 (105) July 10, 1936 (105) July 13, 1936 (100) July 21, 2011 (101)-->38.2 C August 24, 1854 (100) August 7, 1918 (101) August 13, 1918 (102) August 25, 1948 (101) August 28, 1948 (100) September 2, 1953 (100) It also got up to 99 (36.8 C) in downtown Toronto on August 1, 2006. I see a 1999 on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Unfortunately we're not out of the woods here in LAF for more high heat/humidity...next Wed onward, the death ridge re-visits Indiana. Alas the longer it lasts this summer, the better chance this is my last summer living here. Plus I need a snowier/colder winter location. I suggest moving to the west side of the Tetons. Uninterrupted westerly flow through the Snake River Valley straight up the 12K foot+ Tetons. They get buried in winter with nice, powdery snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I wish I could simply enjoy the nice summer weather while we wait for more interesting things to come this fall, but it is hard to do that when it is scorching hot every day. The EC/GFS ensemble depiction of another sub-tropical death ridge day 7+ setting up across the central US is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have a point. LAF is probably close to the southern part of a "consistent" somewhat snowy climate (25-30"), without but the rare "disaster" from time to time...but still close enough to have good/great winters. I'm thinking all around though: 1) good job prospects for a "seasonal job" (golf), 2) a decently fun place, 3) avg snow of 40"+, and 4) less likely to face constant summer time heat/humidity. I have too many qualifiers most likely. You should check out Kalamazoo, MI. As said before if i move again it will be there and or very close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You should check out Kalamazoo, MI. As said before if i move again it will be there and or very close to it. Yeah K-zoo or Marquette would be great snow spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I could have sworn that it got to 100F in August 1995 (the day of the Spadina subway accident). It was a very hot day from what I remember, but maybe not that hot. Thanks for the info though T4, 100 degree days even less frequent than I believed. I remember that day in August 1995. It was a hot and humid day, but temps "only" got up to the low 90s, I think. And yes, 100 degree days are very hard to come by here. We need the ideal conditions as we have to deal with Lake Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I see a 1999 on that list? No. The highest temperature that year was 95. But it was still a hot and humid summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Rain. I was going to say "What the hell is that falling from the sky?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I was going to say "What the hell is that falling from the sky?" It's beautiful. Over 0.50" at LAF so far. Temporary relief from the heat too. I drove through the storms on my way up to IKK this morning. Some neat cloud formations as the initial line swept though. My car thermometer got down to 69º. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's beautiful. Over 0.50" at LAF so far. Temporary relief from the heat too. I drove through the storms on my way up to IKK this morning. Some neat cloud formations as the initial line swept though. My car thermometer got down to 69º. Outflow just blew through here, a nice little refreshing breeze.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh, I thought you wanted to move some place snowy . Seriously though, as a person who lives in a 45-60"/annum snowfall area, it can be really frustrating, even more so than in less snowy climos. You get enough snow to get a solid taste for it, but that means when the pattern is warm/wet you jones for it more, whereas in a place that gets ~25"/year, you expect to have near snowless winters and can handle those snowless patterns better. At least that's my take on it. Head for the belts man. No disappointments there. I kinda disagree about the "more frustrating than less snowy climates" part. If you love snow, you love snow. But thats my opinion. Anyway nice to see you posting in the "off-season"! I dont post NEARLY as much in summer, but still pop in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I agree. It was a first for me, and the conditions were something else. But being relatively close to the all snow zone was very frustrating as well. Of course it shows the extremes a lot of us experience in the Midwest (blizzards, ice storms, cold waves, tornadoes, severe weather, flooding rains, heat waves)...I really wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Agreed. Ready for fall/winter after this heatwave. Will be nice to experience winter far NW of metro Detroit for a change. Where will you be next winter? Was it Mt Pleasant? You better be careful what you wish for, some of the snowlovers in northern part of this state have been ready to choke mother nature, since 2003 we have seen honest to god about 4 winters with more snow here than much of northern MI outside the snowbelts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The 8.86" recorded thus far at ORD this month makes it the 3rd wettest July on record. 1. 9.56" - 1889 2. 8.98" - 1957 3. 8.86" - 2011 4. 8.84" - 2010 5. 8.33" - 1982 6. 7.58" - 1969 7. 7.31" - 1963 8. 7.18" - 1875 9. 6.78" - 1950 10. 6.66" - 1899 Up to 2nd now... 1. 9.56" - 1889 2. 9.04" - 2011 3. 8.98" - 1957 4. 8.84" - 2010 5. 8.33" - 1982 6. 7.58" - 1969 7. 7.31" - 1963 8. 7.18" - 1875 9. 6.78" - 1950 10. 6.66" - 1899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Where will you be next winter? Was it Mt Pleasant? You better be careful what you wish for, some of the snowlovers in northern part of this state have been ready to choke mother nature, since 2003 we have seen honest to god about 4 winters with more snow here than much of northern MI outside the snowbelts. Agree. Central MI sucks for Winter Storms. Especially around the Bay Region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh I know what you mean, especially 09-10. However, maybe I can avoid those sometimes famous SE MI dry slots, and receive less mixing threats? (sorry, GHD dryslot/sleet still hurts). However, I will be back in Warren most of December/early Jan. Where will you be next winter? Was it Mt Pleasant? You better be careful what you wish for, some of the snowlovers in northern part of this state have been ready to choke mother nature, since 2003 we have seen honest to god about 4 winters with more snow here than much of northern MI outside the snowbelts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 nice pop up thunderstorm basically just over my house. Heavy rain and the first persistent drops in awhile. hope it doesnt move and dumps a few inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Winter talk in July? WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Winter talk in July? WTF. xmas in july duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Winter talk in July? WTF. It is the midsummer doldrums setting in. Subtropical death ridges just don't get it done, at least for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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