HoarfrostHubb Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Didn't tell you what year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 ZOMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I was one of those with no power, but it didn't matter with lightning, lighting up the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 My old laptop has my pics from that storm, complete with the old school Bruins pullover coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I always wondered what was better for SNE.... April 1997 or January 2005 or December 2003? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I always wondered what was better for SNE.... April 1997 or January 2005 or December 2003? Its probably between '97 and '05 as a whole for SNE if you are just talking about those 3...Dec '03 was pretty pathetic compared to those two except in pockets where some ocean enhancement occurred or a lucky rogue mesoband. Dec '03 was an impressive storm no doubt, but its coverage of huge 20"+ totals is far less than the previous two. Jan '05 was probably more impressive overall from a snow total stand point and wind especially down on the Cape...April '97 is far superior from a dynamics standpoint (i.e. incredible qpf rates often in the form of TSSN and convection) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Its probably between '97 and '05 as a whole for SNE if you are just talking about those 3...Dec '03 was pretty pathetic compared to those two except in pockets where some ocean enhancement occurred or a lucky rogue mesoband. Dec '03 was an impressive storm no doubt, but its coverage of huge 20"+ totals is far less than the previous two. Jan '05 was probably more impressive overall from a snow total stand point and wind especially down on the Cape...April '97 is far superior from a dynamics standpoint (i.e. incredible qpf rates often in the form of TSSN and convection) Thnaks Will. I always believed that when talking about SNE Blizzards, it's obviously #1 February '78 and #2 would be February 1969 or December 1992. then the rest you can debate about them, but it's very pathetic that PD II is actually up there in the top 10 storms when you compare all the storms, PD was pretty weak with the overall storm structure, but had ton of moisture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I always wondered what was better for SNE.... April 1997 or January 2005 or December 2003? I think hands down Jan '05 over se mass...esp coastal se mass and the Cape. 70-80mph winds with 30"+ snow. That was their blizzard of '78. The thing about 4/1/97 is that we probably had 1-2" of rain over a lot of ern mass, before we even flipped to snow. It was just an incredibly dynamic and moisture laden system, but you expect this in the Spring time. Off the chart dynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I think hands down Jan '05 over se mass...esp coastal se mass and the Cape. 70-80mph winds with 30"+ snow. That was their blizzard of '78. The thing about 4/1/97 is that we probably had 1-2" of rain over a lot of ern mass, before we even flipped to snow. It was just an incredibly dynamic and moisture laden system, but you expect this in the Spring time. Off the chart dynamics. Yeah, I was talking to Will earlier about December 1997 snowstorm, which had even better dynamics than April 1997 did, since there was 50 dbz all snow on the radar, which is pretty damn nuts and it fell in a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Yeah, I was talking to Will earlier about December 1997 snowstorm, which had even better dynamics than April 1997 did, since there was 50 dbz all snow on the radar, which is pretty damn nuts and it fell in a short time. Dec '97 was more intense for a brief period of time, but 4/1/97 had a subtropical conveyor belt, that was dumping on sne. It was loaded with moisture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Also the day I will get my important SAT scores back... this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I think hands down Jan '05 over se mass...esp coastal se mass and the Cape. 70-80mph winds with 30"+ snow. That was their blizzard of '78. The thing about 4/1/97 is that we probably had 1-2" of rain over a lot of ern mass, before we even flipped to snow. It was just an incredibly dynamic and moisture laden system, but you expect this in the Spring time. Off the chart dynamics. In my area Jan 2005 could not hold a candel to April 1997....no event could. Jan 2005 is my 4th most impressive event, behind April 1997 and Dec 1992 and Jan 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I loved the 4/97 storm. Expected only a slushy inch or two and we wound up with nearly a foot of the heaviest snow I've ever seen. Two small trees came down at my house around 250 feet. Closer to the coast near the center of town there was probably only 4 or 5" on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 I would happily take a 1/3 scale model of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Does anybody have a snowfall map for 4/1/97 storm? I think that one may have dropped 30+" at my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Does anybody have a snowfall map for 4/1/97 storm? I think that one may have dropped 30+" at my place. I'd assume you did there on the east slope... I'm pretty sure even the eastern Catskills (Hunter/Tannersville area) got over 30" but those towns are at like 2,000ft. Even so, given the snowfall on the Mass coastal plain, ORH area, and back towards the Catskills, you likely upsloped a lot with the deep, moist easterly flow. No doubt you had 30" or more. I even had 12" at 250ft in the Hudson Valley near Albany from that one. I remember thinking my mom was playing a joke when she said school was canceled, then I looked out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 From Don S.'s digital snow museum: http://wintercenter.homestead.com/photo1997.html I'm pretty sure this is CoastalWx holding a yard-stick... what is the most impressive thing about this picture is that these large storm totals were not achieved by rigorous clearing of the snow board, but instead there actually was that much snow on the ground at the end of the storm. That's one difference I've noticed especially over the past 5 years, that a lot more snowfall measurements include clearing of the snow board and adding the values together (I'm guilty of that now, too)... and it definitely makes some of the older storms seem that much more impressive. These days it seems everyone is much more diligent in measuring multiple times, and I think it does lead to slightly higher totals in some of the present day big storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I'd assume you did there on the east slope... I'm pretty sure even the eastern Catskills (Hunter/Tannersville area) got over 30" but those towns are at like 2,000ft. Even so, given the snowfall on the Mass coastal plain, ORH area, and back towards the Catskills, you likely upsloped a lot with the deep, moist easterly flow. No doubt you had 30" or more. I even had 12" at 250ft in the Hudson Valley near Albany from that one. I remember thinking my mom was playing a joke when she said school was canceled, then I looked out the window. I'm pretty sure I got like 33" or 37", something like that. I'm At the most boring family get together right now so can't check myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I'd assume you did there on the east slope... I'm pretty sure even the eastern Catskills (Hunter/Tannersville area) got over 30" but those towns are at like 2,000ft. Even so, given the snowfall on the Mass coastal plain, ORH area, and back towards the Catskills, you likely upsloped a lot with the deep, moist easterly flow. No doubt you had 30" or more. I even had 12" at 250ft in the Hudson Valley near Albany from that one. I remember thinking my mom was playing a joke when she said school was canceled, then I looked out the window. The highest in the KU map in western MA is 24". I could see amounts lower there if the too much was rung out in the ORH area. Data is somewhat sparse over there too, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The highest in the KU map in western MA is 24". I could see amounts lower there if the too much was rung out in the ORH area. Data is somewhat sparse over there too, obviously. Ahh, yeah I'm trying to find a listing of snowfall totals but did find this, which is probably the same as the KU map, just with different colors and make-up. And a visible satellite image... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Trying to find a PNS on tthis storm but can't seem to get it on my droid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 * PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT National Weather Service Taunton MA 1102 PM EST Tue Apr 1 1997 Here are reports of snow accumulations for the storm event which Began around 9 AM Monday morning March 31 st. This should be the final report on this storm. Thanks to all media and coop observers for the reports. Our homepage is: Http://www.Nws.NOAA.Gov/er/box and http://bristol.Wbox.NOAA.Gov ...Nws offices... Time snowfall inches NWSFO Taunton /BOX/ final 23.3 Boston Logan /BOS/ final 25.4 Worcester Airport /ORH/ final 33.0 Blue hills obs /BHO/ 305 PM 30.0 3rd highest ever Warwick RI /PVD/ Bradley Intl /BDL/ ...Peak wind gust... Boston Logan /bos/ 53 mph Worcester Airport /orh/ 47 mph Blue hills obs /bho/ 72 mph Warwick RI /pvd/ 51 mph Bradley Intl /bdl/ 48 mph ...Eastern Massachusetts... Fairhaven Final 14.5 3.53 liquid Fall River Final 15.0 Attleboro Final 22.0 Randolph Final 27.0 Hull final 24.0 5.32 liquid Gust to 64 mph Acushnet Final 17.0 New Bedford Final 14.0 Newton Final 27.0 Norton final 22.8 Milton Final 22.5 Hingham Final 23.0 2nd highest ever Scituate Final 18.0 Onset final 15.0 Danvers Final 16.0 E. Falmouth Final 8.0 Pocasett final 8.0 Hyannis Final 6.5 Martha/s Vineyard final 5.0 Nantucket Final trace Winthrop 355 PM 23.7 Mansfield 345 PM 20.3 2.93 liquid West Cranston 345 PM 25.0 Manchester 340 PM 24.5 Marshfield 315 PM 20.0 East Woburn 200 PM 30.0 Woburn 200 PM 20.0 Walpole 100 PM 22.5 North Woburn 100 PM 27.0 Maynard 100 PM 24.7 Lynnfield 100 PM 21.0 Carver 100 PM 19.4 Hingham 100 PM 26.0 West Townsend 1245 PM 27.0 liq. Eqv. 2.75 Hanson 1240 PM 18.0 Littleton 1200 PM 26.0 West framingham 1200 PM 20.0 Acton 1155 AM 29.0 North Cambridge 1136 AM 25.5 Methuen 1130 AM 18.0 Cohasset 1130 AM 19.0 Wakefield 1115 AM 25.0 Swampscott 1115 AM 21.1 Marlboro 1110 AM 30.0 Wakefield 1110 AM 18.0 Tyngsboro 1026 AM 20.0 ...Peak wind gusts... Onset 64 mph West Island 55 mph Nantucket 55 mph New Bedford 42 mph Pocasett 46 mph ...Central Massachusetts... (Worcester county only) Milford Final 36.0 ties blzzrd 78' tot. Northbridge 110 PM 30.0 Grafton 1130 AM 29.0 Shrewsbury 900 AM 30.3 5 ft drifts at 6 AM West boylston 730 AM 24.0 ...Western Massachusetts... Worthington 730 AM 24.0 Charlemont 730 AM 17.0 Sunderland 730 AM 15.1 Westfield 730 AM 16.5 2.0 liq. Eqv. Munson 700 AM 17.0 ...Southern New Hampshire...(Hillsborough and Cheshire counties) Nashua 1040 AM 16.0 Wilton 900 AM 26.0 Weare 800 AM 19.6 Manchester 730 AM 14.0 Marlow 730 AM 14.0 Otterbrook 730 AM 12.0 Keene 730 AM 12.0 Surry Mountain Dam 730 AM 11.0 Francestown 700 AM 20.0 ...Northern Connecticut... (Hartford/tolland/windham counties) W. Suffield final 17.0 Union 1100 AM 18.3 Vernon 1100 AM 13.5 Farmington 1100 AM 15.5 Wethersfield 1100 AM 12.3 Mansfield 1100 AM 12.5 Putnam 1100 AM 21.0 Avon 1100 AM 14.0 East Granby 1100 AM 11.0 Bristol 935 AM 13.0 Mansfield 930 AM 16.0 Storrs 930 AM 12.0 Chaplin 930 AM 10.0 Scotland 930 AM 7.0 Windham 930 AM 12.0 ...Rhode Island... N. Foster final 24.7 3.58 liquid Middletown Final 4.0 Providence (downtown) final 19.5 3.06 liq. Eqv. Tiverton Final 14.0 3.08 liq. Eqv. West Warwick 415 PM 18.0 West Cranston 1245 PM 24.0 Woonsocket 1130 AM 21.7 Warwick 1100 AM 16.5 Burrillville 1100 AM 30.5 Cumberland 1100 AM 24.0 Johnston 1049 AM 16.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 From Don S.'s digital snow museum: http://wintercenter..../photo1997.html I'm pretty sure this is CoastalWx holding a yard-stick... what is the most impressive thing about this picture is that these large storm totals were not achieved by rigorous clearing of the snow board, but instead there actually was that much snow on the ground at the end of the storm. That's one difference I've noticed especially over the past 5 years, that a lot more snowfall measurements include clearing of the snow board and adding the values together (I'm guilty of that now, too)... and it definitely makes some of the older storms seem that much more impressive. These days it seems everyone is much more diligent in measuring multiple times, and I think it does lead to slightly higher totals in some of the present day big storms. Actually, it's a piece of strapping! I could not find a yard stick. Here is the other thing to ponder. I was 17 and that snow was up to my quads. I'm standing in the middle of a backyard. I have a lot more pics, but here is anothe rpic of the depth. Notice the walkway. That's pure snow OTG. Not a path that a cut through full of shoveled snow banks. I'm pretty sure I had over 30" in Hyde Park. Also note the stairs. Yes that was the actual snow depth. Some of that drifted off the rood, which you can see if you look closely, but still that's incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Thanks Will, I must be thinking of a different storm, maybe the '93 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Actually, it's a piece of strapping! I could not find a yard stick. Here is the other thing to ponder. I was 17 and that snow was up to my quads. I'm standing in the middle of a backyard. I have a lot more pics, but here is anothe rpic of the depth. Notice the walkway. That's pure snow OTG. Not a path that a cut through full of shoveled snow banks. I'm pretty sure I had over 30" in Hyde park. If Logan airport got 25.4", then I'd bet that most of the area west of Boston Common got 28-30". Even an extra 50-100 feet probably really helped and of course getting out of the middle of Boston Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 If Logan airport got 25.4", then I'd bet that most of the area west of Boston Common got 28-30". Even an extra 50-100 feet probably really helped and of course getting out of the middle of Boston Harbor. best storm after 78 imo. anomalous for time of year and qpf are there NO radar LOOPS of this thing? two feet fell in my town of raynham, ma (90' asl) and i could gauantee areas up by / N easton / /shaon around 300-400' had 28-30 or so.....i bet ashland and nobscot framingham milford bellingham wrenthem foxborough (300'+)got smoked silly as well. i believe there were many 30 amounts in those towns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I think hands down Jan '05 over se mass...esp coastal se mass and the Cape. 70-80mph winds with 30"+ snow. That was their blizzard of '78. The thing about 4/1/97 is that we probably had 1-2" of rain over a lot of ern mass, before we even flipped to snow. It was just an incredibly dynamic and moisture laden system, but you expect this in the Spring time. Off the chart dynamics. I was living in Cambridge for the Jan 2005 storm. There were definitley totals over 30" in Cambridge and Somerville. The drifting was insane! The city streets were unrecognizable and most sidewalks impassable for several days after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I was living in Cambridge for the Jan 2005 storm. There were definitley totals over 30" in Cambridge and Somerville. The drifting was insane! The city streets were unrecognizable and most sidewalks impassable for several days after. Boston severely undermeasured for January 2005 Blizzard. I mean, didn't the Boston Common got 28+? IMO, Jan 2005 probably is 30" at Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Actually, it's a piece of strapping! I could not find a yard stick. Here is the other thing to ponder. I was 17 and that snow was up to my quads. I'm standing in the middle of a backyard. I have a lot more pics, but here is anothe rpic of the depth. Notice the walkway. That's pure snow OTG. Not a path that a cut through full of shoveled snow banks. I'm pretty sure I had over 30" in Hyde Park. Also note the stairs. Yes that was the actual snow depth. Some of that drifted off the rood, which you can see if you look closely, but still that's incredible. Hey Scott- I turn 17 this week haha. Maybe I can get my April 1st Blizzard? You can even cut totals by 1/2 or even 1/3. That would still work. Also, UCONN is in the final 4 baby!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I remember on the morning of April 1st opening the garage door to a 5 foot drift up against it. I also remember the changeover around noon imby and the old school nws blizzard warning taking up the entire screen on TWC haha .. too bad I was only 6 at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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