Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 If the radiation is indeed 1sv then it's all over as far as saving the reactors. they will all meltdown as no one will risk saving them with such high radiation levels. might as well kiss that area good bye for a while. just hope there are no large explosions to disperse the radiation to tokyo or surrounding cities. What about the thousands of spent rods, are we talking possible dirty bomb explosions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 You said some needed to die, I said none of us know what they are facing and who among us would step up to face death. Step up is the wrong term, sacrifice everything, would be better, things like family, friends. This is movie stuff. I imagine most are scared sheet less and want to get the f out of there. I think most folks here understood what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 12:10 15 minutes ago: Safety agency tells plant workers to evacuated due to radiation. KOYODO News. http://english.kyodo...nuclear_crisis/ 12:27 Pressure stable at #3 core. There's a lot of left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing between TEPCO, Edano, safety agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 If the radiation is indeed 1sv then it's all over as far as saving the reactors. they will all meltdown as no one will risk saving them with such high radiation levels. might as well kiss that area good bye for a while. just hope there are no large explosions to disperse the radiation to tokyo or surrounding cities. but it's not 1sv...it briefly hit 1 msv at the gate earlier according to the cabinet secretary and the NHK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 If the radiation is indeed 1sv then it's all over as far as saving the reactors. they will all meltdown as no one will risk saving them with such high radiation levels. might as well kiss that area good bye for a while. just hope there are no large explosions to disperse the radiation to tokyo or surrounding cities. I remember watching video on chernobyl ( not saying this is it, but using a nuclear accident cleanup for example) and remember hearing about the suicide workers. They were put in lead suits, herded up to a fire tower( stair tower) behind a lead door. Then taking a minute interval time to run out to the roof and shovel debris on the roof back into the structure. it gave me the chills to think about being in that spot. I pray for the workers @ the plant and wish them the best of luck for their health and the sake of sanity. Any info on the quake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlebrick Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 "emergency warning for strong earthquake" -- NHK gotta be kidding me link please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 What about the thousands of spent rods, are we talking possible dirty bomb explosions? A worst case scenario here would be far, far worse than any dirty bomb, but the principles are similar. Another risk is the molten radioactive sludge seeps into the ground and contaminates the water table for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 There's a lot of left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing between TEPCO, Edano, safety agency. but it's not 1sv...it briefly hit 1 msv at the gate earlier according to the cabinet secretary and the NHK. The press conference on NHK and MIT both are indicating the peak was 6.4msv in the control room....approaching 8msv. Reuters now picking up the evacuation of workers as of a few minutes ago due to extremely high radiation levels. If correct something must have happened again in the last 20-30 mins. http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isnice Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 If the radiation is indeed 1sv then it's all over as far as saving the reactors. they will all meltdown as no one will risk saving them with such high radiation levels. might as well kiss that area good bye for a while. just hope there are no large explosions to disperse the radiation to tokyo or surrounding cities. The wind will have to be monitored like a hawk. The highest impact from Chernobyl was in Belarus...we're talking about possibly millions needed to be evacuated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The press conference on NHK and MIT both are indicating the peak was 6.4msv in the control room....approaching 8msv. Reuters now picking up the evacuation of workers as of a few minutes ago due to extremely high radiation levels. If correct something must have happened again in the last 20-30 mins. http://live.reuters....pan_earthquake2 right...certainly not suicide workers, at least yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 KYODO...radiation briefly topped 10msv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 USGS site had a mag. 6.2 March 15th. Last day. nothing for last 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 but it's not 1sv...it briefly hit 1 msv at the gate earlier according to the cabinet secretary and the NHK. It's been 300 to 400 mSv between reactor 3 and 4 for a day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Sorry hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 It's been 300 to 400 mSv between reactor 3 and 4 for a day now. that's not the control room..have they updated those radiation numbers near the reactor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mempho Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This is the ultimate nightmare. A 9.0 earthquake, a 30-foot, tsunami, and facing a potential nuclear catastrophe involving six different reactors ....all at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Sorry hour ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 but it's not 1sv...it briefly hit 1 msv at the gate earlier according to the cabinet secretary and the NHK. BREAKING NEWS: Radiation briefly topped 10 millisievert at Fukushima plant: agency (12:35) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 A 9.0 earthquake, a 30-foot, tsunami, and facing a potential nuclear catastrophe involving six different reactors ....all at the same time. The Disaster Trifecta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Lets be careful not to confuse micro and milli sieverts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 A 9.0 earthquake, a 30-foot, tsunami, and facing a potential nuclear catastrophe involving six different reactors ....all at the same time. Sort of hard to even comprehend that. I am hearing estimates of perhaps 10,000 dead from the quake and tsunamis. That alone is a huge catastrophe, especially for a first-world nation like Japan. The meltdown risk is adding insult to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I can't find info on this new quake anywhere. Anyone have a link with info on this reported quake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Just got home. Looks like this thread has seen a lot of posts since I left at 4pm. Does anyone know if there is truth to the stories that reactor no 3 burns MOX fuel that contains a mix of plutonium and uranium? Forecast winds look to be offshore for the short term. That would be good news for the population centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 For you guys that are curious about what amounts of radiation the Chernobyl disaster got around the world to the US, the EPA has a write-up about the incident as well as some illustrations of monthly levels for the US in the several months immediately following the disaster part-way down the page. Found at this link here: http://www.epa.gov/r.../chernobyl.html How did EPA monitor the plume from Chernobyl as it crossed the U.S.? One source of monitoring data was daily samples from EPA's RadNet predecessor, the Environmental Radiation Ambient Monitoring System (ERAMS). The system first detected radiation from the accident at ground level on the West Coast one week after the accident. Although radioactivity levels were somewhat elevated, they were fortunately well below levels requiring protective actions. The animated illustration below shows the path and the timeframe for the passage of the Chernobyl plume across the United States. So yes elevated radiation levels made it from the Chernobyl plants and came across the U.S but at really low levels. Those units in the illustrations are in pCi/m^3. Which I believe is pico-curie per cubic meter. Pico is 10^-12, or 0.000000000001. Thats the old standard in calculating radioactivity so not exactly sure how they tie into sieverts(micro, milli). But we're talking a very small number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 right...certainly not suicide workers, at least yet. They have lost 7 coworkers in two days with 11 injured from explosions, uh radiation increasing to force evacs of all, OC dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 that's not the control room..have they updated those radiation numbers near the reactor? I don't believe so. They can't get near it. That's more of a problem IMO. They need to be able to access the reactors. So while it's not spreading very far, it's hampering their efforts to try to control the situation. It's basically out of control right now. How are you going to cool them if you can't get near them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 ?? http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isnice Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Sort of hard to even comprehend that. I am hearing estimates of perhaps 10,000 dead from the quake and tsunamis. That alone is a huge catastrophe, especially for a first-world nation like Japan. The meltdown risk is adding insult to injury. Not only insult to injury...the tsunami/earthquake could end up being the least of their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I can't find info on this new quake anywhere. Anyone have a link with info on this reported quake? I don't believe there was an earthquake. A warning was issued but the news desk hasn't reported anything since making the announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mempho Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Does anyone know if there is truth to the stories that reactor no 3 burns MOX fuel that contains a mix of plutonium and uranium? Heard this on CNN from the MIT guy that was on Anderson Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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