Jackstraw

Massive hook on radar on that storm

I agree. We've had a couple close calls up here that didn't pan out thankfully. A lot of folks from the Easter system have no place to shelter in now. Although numbers may not show in the grand scheme, seems like common sense if you get whacked by one of these systems people and responders chance of exposure to CV locally is going to go up exponentially. Hoping for a pattern change. We're only a couple weeks away from cane season to start kicking in in earnest and for the last 3 or 4 weeks it seem's like there's been some kind of stalled front/weakness draped across an already steamy Gulf. An early season home brew, be it a cane or a torrential flooder, could just play havoc, putting a larger population and corresponding responders at risk. Closing shelters for tornadoes recently what are we going to do if/when a tropical system comes barreling through? As much of a weather nerd I am, I hope mother nature cuts us some slack for the next couple of months.

It's going to be interesting. I think for our state it's more important than some that it be properly coordinated. I mean we have a couple large population centers but there's even bigger, and more, population centers in other states right on our border. The protests in Indiana are a very small bullshit minority. There's a few inconveniences, but for the most part anybody who thinks their freedom is being trampled on needs to go back in their cave. In the more rural counties like where I live the biggest issue isn't folks laid off, it's REAL small businesses struggling, not stock market listed "small businesses" struggling. I've been very impressed for the most part at the social distancing aspect. Yeah there are a lot of people out on the nice days but the few times I or one of our friends has done the group shopping thing, been very surprised at how folks are respecting the whole social distancing thing this far in. Few bad apples here and there but they are usually put in their place if there's a small respectful group around that see's it. Nice days there's a lot of cars out but the parking lots are not full at all. Think it's just people doing like me, take a ride. It's nice out, it's safe, and it keeps the heebeegeebees at bay. It's going to be hard to make the calls up where you're at, down in the SE corner of the state and down by Clarksville. Those areas are so intertwined with the larger metropolises across state lines, amongst others, it really is going to have to take coordination between the states. And to my point about state borders. When you look at a map.OH,IL, and IN share more "extensive" as in lengths of the borders consistently with more states than any other states in the country. So, IMHO, it is more imperative that they coordinate the re-opening with their border states than maybe others in the country.

I think Holcombe here in Indiana has been doing a pretty good job. Indiana is one of the few states in the country that is bordered by 4 other states , not just a small border like say GA and TN for example, but extensive borders. Indiana shares very large borders with the 4 surrounding states. I would argue the largest borders combined with other states than any other state in the country. "Cross roads of America". What Indiana's neighbors do, and just as important to Indiana's neighbors, what we do, can have a huge impact on each. It could be argued that how Indiana moves forward could have a greater impact to this region as opposed how one of the 4 bordering states move forward, at least when it comes to the number of people affected. I'm glad that this region is working together on moving forward. Holcombe could very well hold this region hostage. If he would pull a Kemp the number of people that could possibly be adversely affected would be much larger than Indiana. I think he really is listening to the Governors that surround Indiana whose states have been hit much harder than Indiana. From hearing him speak at his conference calls I get the feeling of such a thing as "State social distancing". A single state that shares like 100-200 miles of borders with 4 surrounding states, decisions by all of those states need to be very closely coordinated, partisanship aside. I think Holcombe understands that and is letting that, and more importantly, has been letting the science guide his decisions moving forward. He's not perfect, nobody is in this time. But, compared to other Republican Governors in the country I don't think he's towing the "behind the scenes" line being touted by the federal "leadership". We shall see come Monday how this Governor, and the Governors of the 4 surrounding states move forward. I am glad of one thing, better Holcombe than Pence right now.

I read that study also. Even though it's not "conclusive" there's a lot of plain old common sense in it. It's pretty much coming out the length of time to exposure is exponentially related to the chance of someone who would not "normally" have severe complications as apposed if they contracted the virus by simply shaking hands with someone, to becoming severely ill. The replication rate of this virus internally isn't extreme compared to others (Ebola doubles every 20 minutes). But if you are consistently exposed hour by hour, day by day for a couple days the "number" of viruses that infiltrate over time overwhelm even younger and/or healthy peoples immune system and can cause an immune inflammatory response requiring hospitalization. It's being studied this is why folks on these cruise ships had such an adverse reaction to the virus with severe infections up to 5 times a town of similar size. This may be why there was a higher rate of severe infections in densely populated areas initially. That church in Sacramento had a disproportionately large number of severe infections and deaths compared to people who may have been infected yet less exposed consistently. It's probably why we've seen stories of young healthy hospital workers succumbing, the hi rates of police and other first responders succumbing. These people that are higher than most to be in contact initially, they are higher than most to be in contact over and over again. They are running much higher rates of being severely infected regardless of demographic. I really think there is a "dose" factor here simply because of the long incubation time. Which once again brings us back to what? TESTING TESTING.

Well the only way we're going to get testing is the same way states had to get supplies, the feds either dish out what tax dollars already bought, or sieze what states purchased with their own money, then dish the stuff out to private middle men under the auspice that they are the best supply chain we have and those grifters basically ebay it all at a huge profit because it's legal to price gouge our tax dollars via the government but not our wallets in this country. This is the most disgusting raping of this country I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of rapes of the tax base by these fat cats. I am disgusted period. Anyone who thinks this shit's ok can just go screw themselves.

There are folks around here that are are believing an internet rumor (what? It's not true?) that if you smoke cigarettes you have a better chance of not contracting the virus because the flem from cig smoking in your lungs is so thick the virus can't get through it to get to the cells in your lungs. Seriously. I've heard that story standing in line at a store more than once, and have had people tell me that. Disclaimer: I was a fairly heavy corporate smoker for about 20 years. Currently I am a light tobacco user. Equal to about a couple packs a week but their hand rolled and I occasionally smoke a pipe. I do rationalize. I get the the tobacco from a friends very small organic tobacco farm in NC that's illegal as hell. I won't go into why organic non pesticide, non nicotine ramped up tobacco is illegal. It's a habit (tobacco company jargon for addiction lol) I've tried to stop several times but just can't, so be it, so I do it in the most "healthy" way I can. And yes I partake in the indigenous natural gift of mother nature but mostly in edible form, it's cheaper and much more relaxing. When I smoke it it literally makes me sick to my stomach and just gets me too wasted.

Seen flurries at the 500 way way back in the day when you could camp in the North 40 on Thurs. before the race

Going to be a half way decent day Saturday around the GL region. The heebeegeebees are rearing their heads. With the encouragement of DC let the great experiment begin. Hope it goes well, really do. Hope the wack jobs don't follow the leader.

I'm not a social media person. I don't tweet, twitch, tchwat, face or anything. This board is about as social media as I'll ever get. Hoosier can delete this post if he needs to, I understand. One of my best friends I've ever had lost his life to this around noon today. He was perfectly healthy, no underlying conditions. He was 10 years my junior at 48, had worked his way up from being a dishwasher at my restaurant back in the 90's to becoming a partner in that business with my brother and I to getting a PHD in 2017 in social psychology. He was my roommate for 5 years, my friend, my adventure buddy from kayaking to rock climbing to just about anything that made you feel alive to anything stupid enough to get you killed. He kept my "Old Man" arrogance in check while pushing me to not be "The Old Man". Most of all we listened to each other, really listened, something that's hard to come by nowadays. He married a wonderful woman he met who was waitressing at our restaurant and they have 4 awesome kids. She went from a waitress to being a pediatric RN. He started feeling bad the last week of March. He and I were talking on the phone and I asked him if he was ok because I could just tell something wasn't right.. He told me he was fine just felt like a little cold. With what was going on and being someone like me who very seldom gets sick with colds flu or anything I asked him if he was concerned. That's when he told me he had already self contained himself in their garage by then so I knew he knew something was up. 3 days later his wife called us and was really getting concerned. She said he had a 102 temp that wasn't moving. He's a stubborn prick like I am so she asked me to talk to him. I talked to him on the phone over the next couple days and it was very noticeable he was getting worse. By the 3rd of April he conceded something was really wrong, really wrong. She got him to the hospital the following day, they tested him but since they had a good quarantine set up at home, plus they live on 5 acres in the country, and he wasn't in the high risk category sent him home. When he conceded he was sick it just got worse. I talked to him 2 maybe 3 times a day, either skype or just the phone. Thats when he started getting scared. I mean you could hear the subtle fear in his voice, the struggle to breathe, you could see it in his face. He was trying to stay cool for his wife and kids but she knew. I was scared for him. We would talk and do the he's young and healthy enough drill that he'd make it through. They got the result of the test back the 6th and it was positive. She tried to get him admitted to the hospital last Tuesday but even though he was positive he didn't adhere to the criteria needed in FL to be admitted. He finally got so bad last Thursday night she had to call an ambulance and they admitted him. He was in ICU on Friday, that's the last time I talked to him. They intubated him Friday evening and he succombed Monday. The only reason I'm posting this is because this ain't the damn flu. This was a perfectly healthy active 48 year old man It took it 3 weeks to take him but it took him. Not a weak man, not someone who gives up, not someone who cowers in front of adversity. A true survivor that overcame hurtles in his life that most of us would or will never have to face. I'm still numb to this. I won't be able to pay my respects at a funeral. I couldn't and can't jump on a plane and embrace his wife, his 3 kids in college, his one still at home. He and I were both cynical about this back in January, lets just get it and we'll be immune come fall when it comes back like the flu. This ain't the damn flu and it will kill anyone who doesn't take it seriously and doesn't treat it with respect and with the responsibility we all have to our family friends and neighbors. This story is one of millions worldwide. Please be safe everyone and truly think about others before you think about your wallet.

So what is going to happen. First thing I have a question about is the hospitality industry. This industry is absolutely taking the biggest hit with these social distancing orders. Mom and pop restaurants are already getting crushed by the corporate drive through joints, heck even places like corporate Olive Garden type restaurants are getting killed by the Hardees of the country. How are these businesses going to open back up, exercise facilities, theaters, bars, anyplace that people congregate. Another thing is, what about folks who work at businesses that won't be allowed to open back up. There is a clause in the unemployment benefits that the feds said they would help with the extra 600 dollars a week (which doesnt kick in until next week in IN) will go through 7/31. They can revoke that if they decide to. The freeze on utility bills and rent payment repercussions, are those going to be lifted as soon as the economy gets reopened? Are utilities going to suddenly go around and disconnect folks who are either getting back to work or are still waiting for the extra UE benefits or stimulus money trying to get caught back up? Landlords evicting, banks foreclosing without a reasonable chance for some to get caught back up? Whats the reasonable time frame for that chance? Are people going to have to prove that they deserve continued help to get back to work in order to keep getting assistance in the short term? Small businesses that took the paycheck loans, they have to pay those back while at the same time trying to recover their business if they are lucky enough to open back up. What about the employees in the service industry that are already risking their lives for not that great of a paycheck, are they going to be exposed even more? There's a myriad of other issues. I agree we need to open the economy up like nobody's business. But the states better have their shit together doing it. There's going to be a lot of inequality when a restaurant or daycare center or theater can open in WY but none can in CO. It sucks, but IMHO we just can reopen statewide and/or nationwide until we have sufficient testing. It's not a matter of oppressive government, it's a matter of social responsibility. Lord knows I want to get back to work, and I'm sure there are many others who want to. We HAVE to get a sufficient testing system in place before we pull the 69 VW we're in back onto the interstate. If not I'm afraid there's gonna be a pile up that will shut that interstate down for a very long time.

C'mon, I'll take it. I got nothing else to do, might as well stat pad a dismal winter with a miserable spring lol.

The executive office of the country has claimed absolute power over everyone (was only a matter of time) so all arguments are moot now. Let's all just fall in line and follow our supreme leader

Cells firing ahead of the line in AL are spending more time out front before being overtaken than they were earlier as the system starts to lift NE. Central GA will be under the gun the next few hours. Anything that can stay out ahead of the southern part of the line as it lifts NE could be big trouble. Latest HRRR still showing some alarming soundings along the E GA coast up through coastal SC around 4-6am ET.

Corridor from Mobile up through ATL could be the highest risk over the next few hours.

Action now just SW of Chattanooga

Dews in GA are closing in on 80- 90% with pressure falls of 4-6 mb's over the last 4-6 hours. Going to be interesting to see how this current line and anything that might pop in front of it interacts as it moves into eastern AL and GA. Eastward progression should slow somewhat as the upper energy begins to pivot NE giving some of these cells more time in a still unstable air mass. There's still plenty of potential energy out there. I wouldn't be surprised to see the line currently moving into southern AL begin to become somewhat more discreet as it moves NE through pretty much untouched instability through central AL and central GA.

Yes going to be very concerning for GA/SC/NC due to the timing. There also wasn't a lot of focus on them the past couple days with everything being focused on LA/MS/AL. Some pretty startling soundings on the HRRR along the SE coast especially. They just don't see tornado potential like this right along the coast. 22Z HRRR soundings are similar from Savannah up through Charleston.....

Thats an amazing yet sad story, probably one of many. The biggest take away is just how contagious this virus is. It's amazing science how quickly the genome of this virus was sequenced. It's amazing science that we learned how closely it's related to past viruses. What's not understood yet about this virus is why is it so contagious. What part of it's genome makes it so sneaky that it only makes some people sick and others not. Those not to the point they aren't even sick yet they are contagious. To me this is the scary part of this thing. I'm quite surprised about an antibody test when at the same time it's not known if someone can be reinfected. Has that been proven yet? Can we become immune? What good is an antibody test if in fact you can be reinfected? Odds are once infected and recovered there's immunity built up. If this is an antibody test then it must be known within the medical circles that people become immune. Why hasn't that been expressed? I'm a bit puzzled. Edit:@Hoosiers post about the woman who never left for 3 weeks

The rural south has a large black population. Are the numbers there similar to the urban areas in the big cities? There are some counties in southern IN that took off like a rocket, but they were also some of the poorest counties in the state, Franklin, Decatur for example. They also don't have a very large black or even hispanic population. I understand deep crowded urban cities. My fear is making this virus racial instead of socio economic. We've already seen backlash towards Asian Americans over this, hell even in my small town the one chinese restaurant closed because of threats when all they've ever done is carry out, which is permitted. We need to be very careful throwing the race card around and focus on, what I believe, the real issue, it's money and healthcare access. Edit: Folks, millionaires are getting tested whenever they want. There are Dr.'s out there that will test you for 600-1000 bucks. If there's not something wrong with that, well make your own decision. The fact that the capitalistic mindset is still ruling the day in a time when the society that gives it it's privilege is being deprived is just criminal IMHO.

Instead of race I wish they would post income levels.

Madison county coroner posted 2 large refrigerated walk in coolers they acquired to handle storage of the deceased last week. May sound drastic but it is a mostly rural county except for Anderson. They normally can only handle 6-10 at a time.

First call of 2.5 feet. You are an American God lol.

Yes as with anything when it comes to healthcare in this country, 2 years down the road from now when the true numbers come out the demographic most prone to this virus are going to be poor with little or no access to quality healthcare. Trying to stay non political but we really are the only "wealthy" country left in the world where access to healthcare depends on your wallet. The pundits can say what they want, this is exposing the nightmare and inequality of healthcare in this country, from the top down. Not to mention the gutting of federal funds to the states for healthcare infrastructure over the last 40 years. To be the leader of democracy in the world, think our pants just got pulled down.

Yeah it's looking pretty gnarly right now on the models. Make sure you leave yourself an out to the E if you're going to AL. It's easy to get cornered as you move NE with storms. The E/NE part of AL can be like getting trapped in a canyon if your not careful and the roads start to suck. Been there. Decent soundings back into SC as the evening progresses too so you could be chasing, or be chased lol, all the way home. Good luck