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Central PA Summer 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
mahantango#1 replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Flood Watch National Weather Service State College PA 210 AM EDT Thu Jul 9 2026 PAZ056-057-059-063>066-091915- /O.NEW.KCTP.FA.A.0006.260709T1600Z-260710T0400Z/ /00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/ Perry-Dauphin-Lebanon-Cumberland-Adams-York-Lancaster- Including the cities of Carlisle, Newport, Lancaster, Gettysburg, York, Lebanon, Harrisburg, and Hershey 210 AM EDT Thu Jul 9 2026 ...FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM NOON EDT TODAY THROUGH THIS EVENING... * WHAT...Flash flooding caused by excessive rainfall is possible. * WHERE...A portion of central Pennsylvania, including the following counties, Adams, Cumberland, Dauphin, Lancaster, Lebanon, Perry and York. * WHEN...From noon EDT today through this evening. * IMPACTS...Excessive runoff may result in flooding of rivers, creeks, streams, and other low-lying and flood-prone locations. Creeks and streams may rise out of their banks. Flooding may occur in poor drainage and urban areas. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS... - Multiple rounds of slow moving thunderstorms will be capable of producing torrential downpours, with rain rates potentially exceeding 2 inches per hour. While there is still some uncertainty regarding where the heaviest rainfall will occur, scattered instances of flash flooding will be possible. - http://www.weather.gov/safety/flood PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... You should monitor later forecasts and be prepared to take action should Flash Flood Warnings be issued. && $$ Bauco/Lambrech Hazardous Weather Outlook National Weather Service State College PA 408 AM EDT Thu Jul 9 2026 PAZ057-059-065-066-100815- Dauphin-Lebanon-York-Lancaster- 408 AM EDT Thu Jul 9 2026 ...FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM NOON EDT TODAY THROUGH THIS EVENING... This Hazardous Weather Outlook is for central Pennsylvania. .DAY ONE...Today and tonight. Please listen to NOAA Weather Radio or go to weather.gov/StateCollege on the internet for more information about the following hazards. Flood Watch. Showers and thunderstorms will produce very heavy rainfall that may lead to flash flooding. A few storms may produce strong to severe wind gusts. .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...Friday through Wednesday. Showers and thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall on Friday. Isolated instances of flash flooding will be possible. .SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT... Spotters are encouraged to report significant hazardous weather. - Today
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Central PA Summer 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Jns2183 replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
I'm jealous of the sleeping weather over by Kansas city. Some areas there have had 4 to 6 hours straight of rolling thunder and moderate rain with that MCS slowly crawling. I'd take that so fast. Window open another to hear it all. I think it was summer 2011, that we had that week straight of overnight MCS as we sat on edge of heat dome. It was horrible during the day living in swampland, but every night for a week straight around 2-3am I awoke to thunder, lightning, rain from a slowly dying MCS. If I remember correctly the plants were turbo charged all summer from the plentiful moisture and heat. I feel like some of you still have records from cutting grass that summer. Sent from my SM-S731U using Tapatalk -
Central PA Summer 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Jns2183 replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
I think I can find the radar. I texted my friend, but he's on his way to Brazil currently so we shall see. How are farmers summer crops coming along? Sent from my SM-S731U using Tapatalk -
CoastalWx mentioning national news reminded me of something. This is probably when I came to realize what wx had become in terms of treating the ordinary as extraordinary and the lack of scaling/quantification. In late July 2014 I was visiting a friend at a TV station in NJ, and the ABC Word News Tonight at 630 came on. And the lead story? "We begin tonight w/ svr wx w/ at least one tornado touching down..." This is what happened on this day. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/140724_rpts.html The tornado in question was in Edgewater FL. It was an EF0 and damaged some hangars and planes at the local airport. No one was hurt. This is national news? This is *local* story only. It was a minor event, par for the course any day in July for svr wx. You have 30 min to talk about news of the world, and this is material for such a newscast? Are you telling me that this is the best the staff of a national newscast can do for a story? It is lazy journalism and wx is low-hanging fruit. Don't get me wrong, wx on a national newscast is entirely relevant, but confine to something significant overall that has widespread impact or causes injuries/fatalities.
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Central PA Summer 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Jns2183 replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Here are my updated heatwave rankings. It doesn't have the latest one in them simply because I need to wait till July passes to properly weight the temperature. I don't think most people know just how dry the summer of 1966 was, nor that our hotest summer by max temperature was 1949. The 1930's to 1940's were brutal here. Hot summers and crappy snow in the winter. Sent from my SM-S731U using Tapatalk -
Attractive headlines I have no issue w/ on a fundamental level, and they do have plenty of value, but as w/ anything, it can be abused, and that abuse line was crossed a long time ago IMHO. You wrote: "It is always best to ignore the hype in weather and sports... " I agree 100%, but it's very hard to b/c it is everywhere! Yes on social media platforms you can block words/phrases and ppl/sites, but it doesn't catch everything. Just casually watching TV or listening to radio, or ads on on sites like YouTube, it gets you. And over time, the drama, hype, and negative has worked their way into everything. You can't even have escapism watching a movie or show anymore w/o some kind of messaging or virtue signaling randomly inserted that has zero to do w/ the plot, but put in anyways.
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It does not surprise me one bit! Never underestimate the drive to get more ratings, no matter how ridiculous or stupid it sounds! And it can be taken even further here, and it proves what I have said so many times in recent years. The ordinary is now turned into extraordinary! So this is a fcst for New Orleans. You know what the normal high temp is for June 27 (date of this article)? 91! And dew points are in the 70s almost all the time in summer, so afternoon heat indices are in the low 100s, and 107 like mentioned here happens a significant part of the time every summer. So how is this "dangerous?" This is normal climate for this area, and ppl are *used* to it. This idea that just b/c temps 90+ and the heat index 100+ somehow that means this summarily bad for humans is bunk. Ppl adapt well to their local climate no problem, have so for 1000s of years. "By Monday, temperatures will surge even higher as a strong heat bubble aloft moves northward over the Tennessee and Ohio River Valleys, keeping the New Orleans area well above normal. Combined with higher humidity, Tuesday is shaping up to be a hot day." 2 F higher is a "surge?" And 3 deg above avg for a high temps is not "well above normal." Oh, the drama! I get sometimes, "well, that's just the way it is." I am not contesting that. Society changes/evolves. What I am contesting is the relentless fear-mongering and making mountains out of molehills. Crying wolf all the time is a bad thing, no? Putting ppl in a constant state of alert is unhealthy both physically and psychologically.
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The tactic "scare w/ large numbers" is a biggie. How about "340 million people under high UV risk today!" Sounds ridiculous, but the trend to demonize *everything* no matter what is strong, so just you wait! And one could say, "well, UV is ionizing radiation and is a real risk!" and they would not be wrong. Very sleazy way to justify hype. Since ubiquitous well-known risk exists every day routinely, there is no practical value bringing it up most of the time other than for ratings and hype. We learn about normal risk from a young age. Risk is everywhere, and constantly bringing attention to it is counterproductive. Yes, alert the population as needed, and *not* for your own profit/business!
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Wow, this is a good one. Thanks for passing along. It may be a doctored image, but *nothing* would surprise me these days. And something like is done here? This would fall under a classic tactic from the book "How to Lie with Statistics" (Duff, 1954 - you can find it free to read on-line). It goes like this: On a graph, play w/ the y-axis. You can make things look as significant or insignificant as much as you want visually. Ppl are drawn to a flashy graphic first, and the labeling second (if at all). And this has been shown to work or influence in any venue/setting to get a particular message across. Over time, no matter how cheesy or insignificant it may be, for a hype angle or to simply grab attention more, nothing is off the table! I get the business model and why it is done (competition is intense/shorter attention spans), but it has become ridiculous. Micromanaging/slicing and dicing to the extreme, and I am not just making deductions/suppositions from what I see presented. I know a number of of OCMs, and some have told me this is how it really is. Many OCMs do not want to do such things b/c they want to keep it real and based, but they are told to do this by the news directors or consultants, and have no choice. And the book I mentioned above, you see that the saying, "there are lies, damn lies, and STATISTICS!" is not just some casual idiom!
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Looks like a snooze fest through late July. Glad we had our good rains in the first week of the month.
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Hoisting the Sultan Signal: Heavy Rain Event July 5-7
vortex95 replied to WxWatcher007's topic in New England
That 29" at CAR was its biggest 24 hr snowstorm by far up to that time. Attached is a classic weenie snowfall map from Storm Data for this storm! -
What is said above I agree 100%. Rating it? It looks about "average" for a svr wx event we typically see this time of year. Just b/c it is "average," certainty does not mean it won't be good, and some areas will get crushed, esp. w/ rain as PWATs are over 2" and K-indices 34+. Storms should largely move orderly W-E 20-25 mph. Short bow segments and clusters w/ marginal/brief supercell structures are likely. Tornado threat is low since winds are rather light 850 and below. However 0-3 km CAPE is excellent so an isolated QLCS spin-up is possible. On the large-scale, the flow aloft today was weakly anticyclonic, but that switches to more solid cyclonic Thu. Just noting that b/c even in absence of a distinct s/w trof, anticyclonic vs. cyclonic flow makes a sig difference for convective initiation and maintenance. No capping issues Thu due to cyclonic flow! HRRR gives the Delmarva the most QPF. This does not surprise me. I have noticed anecdotally, storms often do very well here. Probably due to more boundaries and slightly higher DPs since you have both the Bay breezes and sea breezes interacting here. Look like general showers/tstms around Fri-Sat and maybe Sun, then a break Mon-Tue as we have a stable wedge of high pressure in the region (looks like cold air damning in the summer - see GFS valid 12z Tue below) Then more interesting after that w/ NW flow svr wx events possible.
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And let me just add lol. I'm not trying to be on some high horse denouncing people--mets or hobbyists--who try to be a real value add to the public discourse. I think the information sharing landscape has allowed for different perspectives to break through and advance the science by challenging our thinking on what's possible and why in wx. I'm biased, but I think many chasers add value by being in the dangerous places and collecting data and video that aids in our understanding of extreme wx and the issuance of warnings. But as we know...many are just trying to gain money and clout. God bless 'em, it's America, but the goal should always be building trust with the public and helping people understand science/context/impact.
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Says who? They extended Basallo...and Adley is not gonna completely break the bank. And the thing with the Basallo deal...they basically bought out the arb years and added on a couple. It was an investment but not one that would preclude them from signing Adley as well. And Adley has value with a pitching staff that Basallo doesn't. There is room for both--and this ownership group seems to want to spend more. Holliday is unproven...so why in the world would you sell him right now? You don't know what you have in him yet. He is your 1:1--no way you sell him at age 22. Gunnar is the only one where you may have a case. But here's the thing: To get Yankee or Dodger money he is gonna have to play a lot better. There will be no bidding war right now. And as far as selling him this year... do we really get max value in prospects? Nah. Now if he plays like an MVP next year, and we still suck, then maybe you do it then.
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I certainly agree that the changes we're seeing in how information gets communicated is starting to have a cumulative effect, and while I think most probably still understand what's over the top, when you have so much bad, misinterpreted, misleading information combined with a growing reliance on short form video rather than reading and critical thinking, we're going the wrong way. I think you can see it in how wildly popular some of the YouTubers in particular have become and how some elements of MSM seem to be trying to adopt similar styles even if it isn't going full on hype in the way we see online. I think that's a larger conversation though about how media has become less of a public trust focused on truth and analysis and more a place for entertainment and opinion that generates engagement and profit. There's always been an aspect of "if it bleeds it leads" but sometimes you watch the nightly news for example and they're leading off talking about a severe weather outbreak which, while bad, might completely leave out the context that severe weather outbreaks have happened for millennia because the atmosphere at its very core seeks balance. Pick your wx topic. It may be newsworthy in its own right because people are being impacted, but if you're leaving out all of the context, it does the general public a disservice. Another great example--and my hobbyhorse since I care about it more than any other type of wx--is tropical. You can bank on every active year truly outrageous bad analysis and hype. Whether it's people sharing 10 day operational model doom runs under the guise of "making sure people are prepared", or wanting to be the first to call for RI of a tropical wave because they rip and read a HAFS run before a LLC has even been identified, or probably the worst...taking a string of active seasons and/or a high end hurricane and declaring that the Atlantic is in a new era of hyperactivity. That definitely has a negative impact IMO on how the public views and responds to emergency managers who often times are community members just trying to do their best. I worry that the current information sharing landscape and the decline in reading and critical thinking is going to prove disastrous long term, not just in the wx space.
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Central PA Summer 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Yardstickgozinya replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
I'd like to see that. It'd be cool if you could get it and put up a link. I tried to find a video of the radar loops from the 4th and 5th to post here, but I was unsuccessful.However, I did find over an hour of live, storm coverage from CBS 21 that includes some good aerial footage of the storm. -
