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2026-2027 Super El Nino
GaWx replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I’ll use simple hypothetical examples to illustrate why I think RONI is a better way to measure ENSO for both historical classification purposes and relevant effects: -assume worldwide ocean anomalies are in 2026 all +1C vs 1996-2025 climo due to GW and assume it’s uniform across all of the oceans -thus ONI would also be +1C/El Nino since it doesn’t separate out the 1C warming from GW -but there’s no El Nino signature as it’s +1C everywhere in the oceans -per RONI it’s perfectly neutral (0C) ENSO -classifying it as neutral makes more sense to me -now change it to +3C in 3.4 but keep a uniform +1C in all other oceans -now there’s a clear El Niño signature, but how strong is it? -ONI would classify it as +3C Nino -RONI would classify it as +2C Nino, which makes more sense to me @LakePaste25@bluewave -
June 10 1926: An intense downpour falls on Mahoning. 3.05 inches fell in 45 minutes. For Wednesday, June 10, 2026 1752 - It is believed that this was the day Benjamin Franklin narrowly missed electrocution while flying a kite during a thunderstorm to determine if lightning is related to electricity. (David Ludlum) 1957 - A dust devil at North Yarmouth, ME, lifted a 600 to 1000 pound chicken shelter into the air and carried it 25 feet. It landed upright with only slight damage. It is unknown whether any eggs were scrambled. (The Weather Channel) 1958 - A woman was sucked through the window of her home in El Dorado, KS, by a powerful tornado, and was carried sixty feet away. Beside her was found a broken phonograph record entitled Stormy Weather . (The Weather Channel) 1987 - Thunderstorms produced 2 to 4 inch rains in southern Texas. Two and a half inches of rain at Juno TX caused flooding and closed a nearby highway. Flooding on the northwest side of San Antonio claimed one life as a boy was swept into a culvert. Thunderstorms in the north central U.S. produced an inch and a half of small hail at Monida Pass MT. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Three dozen cities, mostly in the eastern U.S., reported record low temperatures for the date, including Elkins, WV, with a reading of 33 degrees. Unseasonably hot weather continued in the Northern High Plains Region. The record high of 105 degeees at Williston, ND, was their seventh in eight days. (The National Weather Summary) 1989 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather through the day and night across much of the southern half of the Great Plains Region. Thunderstorms spawned 14 tornadoes, and there were 142 reports of large hail and damaging winds. Hail three inches in diameter caused three millions dollars damage at Carlsbad, NM. Hail four inches in diameter was reported at Estelline TX and Stinnett, TX. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 80 mph at Odessa TX. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) Observances: 10 Wed National Iced Tea Day 10 Wed National Ballpoint Pen Day 10 Wed National Egg Roll Day 10 Wed National Herbs and Spices Day 10 Wed Abolition Day 10 Wed EHS Day 10 Wed National Bed Bug Prevention Day 10 Wed National Black Cow Day 10 Wed National Colt Day 10 Wed National Isabel Day
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0.02" of rain this morning. Later this evening should net a little more. Hoping for some robust stms. Mid 40's n fog this morning.
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I'm speculating 16.8 to 16.9 C and a new date-relative record wrt global 2-meter mean temp by June 26th
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. 22" this morning. Just need to move the decimal two places to the right and we'd have something.
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Rain is rain and I’ll take what I can get. Always want more
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Glad to see you are doing well, Ian. It’s also good to see CWG able to go independent and get away from the shackles and demise of the WaPo. I hope this will allow plenty of freedom to choose interesting articles and present info without pressures. I’m happy for you all and wish you success.
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This round gave me some rain. Almost enough to get the ground wet under the trees. Almost.
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It'll be interesting to test that, the scale/extent/presence of BD over the next two days. Particularly on Friday... I see in the 00z GFS, ultra anal close-up OCD Rain Man inspection, that yeah ... there is a 'bulge' west in the PP over E-NE zones... perhaps as far W as ORH, but we're talking 1 to 2 whopping mb here really... if this is even real. 06z has this less so. I've noticed this about guidance, et al, over the last 5 to 7 years. They have improved significantly in the boundary layer where prior generations of modeling had trouble due to the termination of fields in boundary mechanics. They don't ...or couldn't really, process what is happening as the boundary - in this context, Earth - is approached. That's why they used to miss "tucks" in winter storms of lore, erode cold too fast ahead of warm fronts in general, all that cold lag winning shit. They are better at it, but ... it's like they're getting better assessment by over assessing. I see them create these kind of BD-esque looking features that don't exist, more than they ever used to... right around the same time they've all improved on BL handling in general. So... I've spent probably waaaay to much time on this subject this morning at this point, and it's probably a fool's errand considering the room is empty and no one's even reading this very sentence... hahaha. ...yeah
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2026-2027 Super El Nino
LakePaste25 replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Yeah, same reason we differentiate between 1991-2020 normals vs absolute records. When we want to know a thermal pattern it’s helpful to use the 30 yr normals, but it doesn’t make sense to say “this heatwave is the biggest temperature departure on record” because it’s pretty arbitrary. We use absolute values for that. -
2026-2027 Super El Nino
bluewave replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Yeah, the big story is that these extreme ridges are making seasonal forecasting very challenging. There have been at least 16 instances of +10 or greater temperature months from December to March since December 2015. This is against the warmest 1991-2020 means which is even more impressive. In the old days these would happen much less frequently like in March 2012 and January 2006. When viewing the seasonal guidance in the fall there wasn’t any indication that these extreme months were in the forecast. I can remember looking at the EPS weeklies mid to late November 2015 and just seeing the stock El Niño forecasts of warm along the Northern Tier and cooler to the south. No indication at all of the historic +13.3 was incoming for places like NYC. A big part of that was the MJO 5 interacting with the super El Niño to produce the extreme December ridge in the East which wasn’t forecast. The other examples below really weren’t forecast well too far in advance. Some had extreme MJO event and others just stuck weather patterns like this past winter into spring. Dec…2015….NYC….+13.3 JAN…2017….BTV…..+11.0 FEB….2017….ORD….+10.3 FEB…..2018…ATL….+10.6 FEB….2019…MGM….+10.5 JAN….2020…YAM….+9.8 DEC….2021….DFW….+13.2 JAN….2023….DXR….+12.3 FEB….2023…..SSI…..+9.8 DEC….2023….INL…..+15.8 FEB…..2024….FAR…..+17.5 DEC….2024…..LND…..+11.3 DEC….2025….CPR…..+12.1 JAN….2026….RIW……+10.2 FEB…..2026….LND…..+11.3 MAR….2026….PHX…..+12.5 -
0.00” here through 10 days of June. Already hit 97 once with 100s progged next couple days. What a start to the month!
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May gave me 170% of normal rainfall. The first 10 days of June have produced 7% of normal. The dominant westerly and northwesterly flow aloft has killed rainfall in the Valley. That rain-shadow is usually reliable.
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Just heard on 1010 WINS that brides and grooms are hiring Etsy witches to cast weather spells in hopes of getting sunshine on their wedding day. Going to be a HOT summer boys and girls.
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I mean they're spot on with this conceptually, and to an extent with the detailing but they're blowing it with the spatial layout - not without giving a reason why they thinking metro west and Fitchburg -Lawrence and up to Manchester are not part of the diagnostics, which they don't...? Oh, they do okay... I guess they're okay the way they handled - Confidence continues to increase that heat and humidity will pose a risk Thursday and Friday. As the warm front from Wednesday lifts further north, prolonged southwesterly flow will bring a surge of very hot and humid air, especially as 925mb temperatures increase to +27C Thursday and up to +30C Friday. Surface dewpoints are likely to top out in the upper 60s to low 70s, especially across interior MA and northern CT. These high dewpoints combined with temperatures climbing into the low to mid 90s will lead to heat index values approaching 100F Thursday and likely above 100F Friday across the CT River Valley, prompting Heat Advisories to be issued for northern CT and western MA from noon Thursday until 8PM Friday. especially away from the coastal plain. Heat Advisories may be expanded further east; however, a backdoor cold front is expected to drop into eastern MA sometime on Friday Not sure I agree synoptically..I admit to a flaccid PP but I don't see a very obvious BD mechanism, ether.
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76 at 8:20 am isn't bad. Sat's a grungy mess though. Partly to mostly sunny for now but there's convective debris in heavier patch work lurking near-by west, inching east. The sun may alter the sounding such that some of that starts to vanquish - not uncommon - but we'll see. Heat over the next 3 days is going to be battling a bit of cloud pollution though. Most guidance 700, 500, 300 mb level RH fields are contaminated with occasional 70%.
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2026-2027 Super El Nino
40/70 Benchmark replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
It's too reductive and narrow in scope...it's fine to use it for historical ranking as long you understand exactly what it is conveying and why...otherwise, this is akin to ranking each winter by NAO or PNA....sometimes it works, but often times it doesn't. -
2026-2027 Super El Nino
40/70 Benchmark replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Largely a weenie fallacy that the collapse of ENSO will "save us"...DT likes to clinging to that crap and always ends up backtracking at the last moment. -
364 kWh for June so far. 986 for May.
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2026-2027 Super El Nino
40/70 Benchmark replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
In the traditional sense per ONI, but we have had some pretty robust cool ENSO seasonal signatures.......these RONI lags are a signature of the warming west Pacific, which constructively interferes with cool ENSO and negatively interferes with warm ENSO expression around the hemisphere...more specifically, while the ridge over North America is accentuated, the GOA low is blunted. It's this inconsistency that tends to mask the warm ENSO expression, while the traditional ONI fails to adequately capture the magnitude of the cool ENSO expression via the enhanced Aleutian ridge. -
How are your solar panels doing?
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just between you and me ( and the social media'sphere heh)...sometimes I'm wondering if learning AI is being used at NWS offices, and it's not quite up to the task just yet. Like it still needs a helicopter teacher. I've noticed a lot of those kind of hard to explain head scratch nuances. There's not as many in urgent more/obviously significant situations, which makes sense... these latter types are more human eye required? I could see this scenario being "unchecked" yet; in need of doing so. But I'm also a sci fi writer in another life so -
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Agree. Headline does not make sense.
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Advisory level headline heat tomorrow and Friday ...cloud depending. I imagine the current layout gets extended into metro west of Boston and up the rt 3 corridor toward MHT eventually. Not seeing why Greenfield MA is going to be warmer than the Framingham MA to Manchester NH axis, but we'll see
